Who took our money?

I have refrained for a while from casting my vote on this poll until I had a better idea of who's taken my life savings. I'll quote a couple of lines from the film "Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels" which sums it up for me.

Hatchet Harry: "So what's this Alistair like then?"
Barry the Baptist: "He's a f*****g thief"

Regards, Tony.

Perhaps you should add an option "I don't believe we can apportion blame because we are not in posession of correct information" .........

I cannot think of a country in the world, where the government would permit the unauthorized use of pensioners money in some risky unsecured investment, and then say to the perpetrators- It's OK, you can resign and leave the mess for the pensioners to sort out, they won't take long to die of starvation anyway.
How can it be that guarantees given in order to attract the savings deposits, can be ignored as though they never existed?
If the victims in this- the depositors- were to act in the same way they would be branded as thieves, fraudsters and terrorists.
The lack of official investigation of possible criminality makes it look as though these governments condone such actions.

Polls like this are a product of the blame culture. They serve no useful purpose and can be counterproductive.
Looks as though we have the makings of a club if we don't get our money back:)

Comments noted (and the email I received on the same topic.)

The poll does not pretend to be factual. It says Based on your opinion/feelings. It's asking how people feel, not what the facts are. How people feel and their opinions tend to be what determines their voting in elections, IMO.

Everybody has the simple option of answering None of the above if they don't think the other options are relevant or accurate. So far only 5% have taken that option. I rest my case.

Totally agree Captain .......... "How" is the word
Check out the Strategy debate and encourage all others to think about the HOW and stop with the blame culture

a) Whether we were robbed.

b) If we were, who did it.

Let's get that facts. Let's stop pointing the finger. It's too early for that.

It looks like there were errors. There is probably some fault, but until we know more it's futile to speculate and doesn't get us very far. Lawsuits and the blame game are matter for 3 months from now - when and if we cannot find satisfaction.

If you knew today that one of the above were at fault, that plus $2.25 would get you a cup of coffee today. And maybe - just maybe - 30 cents on the dollar in 4 years after a brutal lawsuit.

We need information so we can get to a negotiated solution. Blair

I've stated already that I am not back in the UK, firstly because I need to work, but more importantly because if I was to receive any smart comments about "tax-dodging" or "you should have known better" or "it's not so and so's fault", then I would have swung for someone, which does not help me support my family. Now, whatever happens I need to be focused enough that should we only receive statutory compensation (which I don't think will be the case) then I can continue to work and get us out of this mess.

My primary concern in all of this is (at this point), not who, or why, but how to get it back.

I suspect we will never know what really went on, and I don't see the point in getting concerned over it, all I care about is getting back something like the amount I put in.

Yes, number one 'Get money back'; number two 'who cares'.....

If part of number one means finding out the cause sobeit. But only to help get the money back.

If we dont get our money back (which is NOT going happen), then i shall proably make it my life's work to go after those to blame as i wont have the burden of a family or the drive to work doing what i know best. But that will never happen anyway...

Mat

I would agree, but I get disapproving comments if I am negative. Actually, in the first place I cannot see the point to it - I don't want to guess at what caused this balls up, I want to know what caused it.
More to the point, I wan't to know what it will take to put it right.

Sorry -- it asks the wrong questions & would not result in the right answers anyway, so would not advance our mission.
I feel that it is likely to make us look silly in the eyes of those who we want to take us seriously.
I SUGGEST IT IS WITHDRAWAN --- PRONTO!

In my view any Poll from now until 27/11 should be focussed on key issues requiring a collective response that helps facilitate securing our Mission >> to get back ALL the money!

None of the options cover the complex events that caused this mess - in fact none even come close.

I agree.
The wording of the poll dimishes our credibility. Too tabloid. it might reflect feelings but the case has not been fully heard and the facts are complex. All the governments are implicated. It is neither good law nor moral for a jury to take a vote on a judgement before the whole case has been heard.
Lets just focus on clear plans of action and continuing the wonderful work that has been done so far.

Itmay not have been planed as such, but ithink someone with G. browns experiance of god knows how years as chancellor, you would think he may of known better. After they done what they did, they could have paid back, iom us,and then used their influence of getting the defecit back from iceland.But no, why because 7-8000 people who the majority live abroad , as against 30,000 uk residents and they must be resident otherwise they wouldnt be able to have an account there, who the vast majority are voters.
He looked at this old gordon and thought ill ignore my moral duty to do he right thing and repay this money, because iam being made the hero here in england saving all these depositors money it suits him this way.
If a retail bank had done this they would find them selves in apolice station being charged with all sorts of things, and courts demanding them to repay the monies to the rightful owners.
MISTAKE OR ROBBERY, if its amistake rectify it or it does become the later.

I personally would like to get to know many more/all if possible of the facts before I am to make a judgment about who took our money. I think to judge on the word 'robbery' it needs to pass the beyond reasonable doubt test.

Keep going forward, you are doing a great job. The site is a great source of info, is now top of my Bookmarks List, as I am sure it is with others also.

When a bank lends money they want security, we leant KSF/IOM our money with no security other than trust in their word and in the regulatory system.

Lets get all our interest and our money back as we agreed.

BF

I dont think anyone on this sight thinks the UK goverments actions were intentional but no doubt they were instrumental.
I work in criminal law and they is a concept called transference of malice...IE if you throw a brick at someone and it hits someone else then really you should have thought about the fact it might hit someone else before you threw it.
Gordon and Darling threw one big F*ck of brick and it hit Iceland and bounced off and hit the IOM....whether they like it or not they should have foreseen possible consequences of their actions, now they must make good the damage the have collaterally caused.

Come on now you lot, you don't really think Georgeous Gordon and Oh Really! Darling sat up at night plotting to steal our money do you? I know it's always nice to have someone to point the finger at but theft implies some forethought and I think the actual problem here is lack of thought on Oh Really!'s part. He knew he was going to upset the Vikings (and probably premeditated his comments if it's true that banks were told to stop actioning "Icelandic" transfers from the 6th) but I doubt our little bank even crossed his mind. After all there was all those County Councils, police forces and even Oxford University about to get their fingers burned so we probably didn't even figure in his (tiny?) mind.
More seriously, and as I've seen written elsewhere on this (fantastic, life-saving) site, shouldn't we be trying REALLY HARD (i.e. despite political allegiance or gut reaction) to keep all three Governments onside? After all it will only be with their compliance that we achieve the aim of 100% return - as I see it the IoM lot have to help pressure the UK lot (to save their face & taxes) to pressure the Vikings to honour the parental agreement (with IMF money, obv). Even if Gorgeous and Oh Really! did go into this with the intention of upping their political standing (successfully it would seem) I don't think they deliberately set out to steal from us.

The poll is good but the laying of blame is complex.
- I would choose Alain Green Span ,Royal Derbyshire for concealment and Gordon Brown/Bank of England for ecouraging the bubble

Better to put that here in comments I think. Lots of people here with varied opinions, difficult to design a "one size fits all" poll. I'm very open to input as to specific questions (the complete set) that could be the basis of a further poll.

Agreed, but its a first pass... A more finely tuned poll can be design based on the results of this one.

A simple poll as framed may give a very distorted view of opinions.

I think we are all well aware that we are victims of ploitical circumstances and not simple theft.

Perhaps you could 'reframe' into a poll allowing order of cullpability - this would be much more indicative of the feelings of depositors.

could change "I was" to "we were"...
all together etc

Suggest a reason be added re-- I was robbed of my savings by IOM -FSA , because they ORDERDED KSF-IOM to transfer monies to KSF-UK,without informing me,since spring 2008.

Anybody responding none of the above might like to leave a comment here as that their thoughts are. Entirely optional of course.

New poll.