Have you received your voting papers yet?

Receipt of Voting Papers
Background and objectives: 

Interesting to see what percentage of people have actually got what they are entitled to in enough time to make a response (barring using a download)

YES
37% (83 votes)
NO
63% (143 votes)
Total votes: 226
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31 May 2009: No voting papers

31 May 2009: No voting papers received in Kuala Lumpur Malaysia, Group 2

Posted by howagcr on Sun, 31/05/2009 - 06:59
30th May South of France,

30th May South of France, no voting papers yet.Group 2

Posted by conned on Sat, 30/05/2009 - 16:26
I received the following

I received the following email yesterday Friday 29th May from Liquidator 2 in reply to my complaint to MS about the non receipt of voting papers. I am not sure how to interpret it. By the way, I have STILL not received the voting papers here in Paris as of today 30th May though I did receive the revised appendix two or three days after it was posted. So the Liquidator cannot claim that they must have the wrong address as is implied in the email . Here is the email (the English is very strange!). Any thoughts on how to reply?

Dear .....
I can advise that your address per the Bank's records was sent the Scheme of Arrangement document on 27 April 2009. Unfortunately, I am not in a position to advise why you are yet to receive them.
If you wish to confirm your postal address presently held per the Bank's records, please email branch(?)kaupthing [dot] com stating the details to be confirmed or call the Bank on +44 (0) 1624 699222.
I appreciate that there are incidences where papers did not reach all creditors shortly after posting. However, in addition to being posted, notices for the Scheme meetings were placed in the Manx and international press and the documents were all made available on the Bank's website at www.kaupthingsinger.co.im. Two affidavits which confirm the printing and postage process including the fact that, where required, documents were issued by airmail have been submitted to the Isle of Man court. I can also confirm that original forms of proxy and voting were received from all over the world.
Kind regards

Posted by grandmaparis on Sat, 30/05/2009 - 15:05
This survey has already

This survey has already started and has been compiled please see : http://chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/blog-entry/receipt-or-not-voting-packs-... information has also been compiled from the various forum topics that members have created on this particular subject. This information was available at the Hearing on the 27th May - as it was a subject that may have raised its head and the information was necessary.

Posted by Tricky Dicky on Thu, 28/05/2009 - 11:39
This issue seems to be

This issue seems to be important - I can fairly quickly add a more detailed survey, collecting the specific date as to when papers were received... that way we can generate more meaningful stats, and potentially create some kind of graph (% who received papers on y axis, date on x-axis.) Could do something similar with just a poll, by having answers for (e.g.) a week number in which papers were received.

Posted by ng on Thu, 28/05/2009 - 11:09
Thursday 28th May Still no

Thursday 28th May Still no sign of voting forms in Thialand but interestingly enough the Revised Ammendment to balance sheet arrived on Tue 26 May sent Air Mail and Post Marked 14 May 09 PM

Posted by Mekong on Thu, 28/05/2009 - 08:48
THURSDAY 28TH MAY AND STILL

THURSDAY 28TH MAY AND STILL NO VOTING PAPERS.

One day on from the Court hearing and still no Voting Papers received in South West France.
Have previously received mail from Simpson and IOMG at this address ,so no excuse for not having the correct address.
Two E mails sent to Simpson, not even the courtesy of a reply!
Very concerned re the posting of "Notice of Claims" forms. What can be done to ensure this fiasco is not repeated ?

Posted by William.B.Hill. on Thu, 28/05/2009 - 08:38
France, 28th May and no

France, 28th May and no voting papers have ever arrived here, although I did receive the Revised Appendix on time.

At least this demonstrates that my address details are correct. I do not believe this can be written off as "vagaries of the postal system" since the French postal service is very efficient and mail from UK usually reaches me within 2-3 days.

Since it seems my experience is shared by many others I suspect in many cases the documents were never actually sent.

Posted by cerberus on Thu, 28/05/2009 - 08:21
Finally the voting papers

Finally the voting papers arrived in China - 26th May ---- INteresting post mark of 9th May rather than April as suggested by Mike Simpson!!

I presume we will have to wait 5 weeks for our claim forms to arrive !!!

Posted by Julienne on Thu, 28/05/2009 - 08:03
Finally received voting

Finally received voting papers in Miami today.
Envelope ragged and had a sticker showing mailed in Belgium!! But no date.

Need to make sure Homer doesn't use the same mailing company for the proof of debt forms......

Homer sure doesn't inspire any confidence - an accountant that can't add and can't even organise the mail room......and how much is he being paid from our money????

Posted by Pat on Thu, 28/05/2009 - 00:55
Inept, incompetent,

Inept, incompetent, unintelligent, imbeciles. Now you just need to figure out who this applies to.

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 19/05/2009 - 19:37
Would all contributors to

Would all contributors to this topic/poll please ensure that they have completed and emailed the form at: http://chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/blog-entry/receipt-or-not-voting-packs-...

Thank you

Posted by Tricky Dicky on Tue, 19/05/2009 - 14:27
I was apparently down to the

I was apparently down to the wire on Sunday 10/5 -- at that time it seemed the voting forms had to be in Edward Coe's by the next day -- and I still had not received anything!

I finally downloaded the PDF from the DAG website, printed it out, and, because I don't have a scanner, simply took a digital photograph of the filled out and signed form (pages one and two).

After tweaking for contrast, and cropping, I then sent that as an attachment to the email address for Edward Coe.

I wasn't about to let somebody's incompetence -- or worse, benign neglect/sabotage -- stop me from registering my vote.

I don't have time to fully keep up with all that is going on, but it seems to me that those responsible are dragging their feet so far behind them, they're never going to come up to speed.

And we all will be made to suffer for it.

Posted by OnceBitten on Tue, 19/05/2009 - 14:12
No Voting Forms or Amended

No Voting Forms or Amended Balance Sheets yet in the theTarn et Garonne in SW France.
Downloaded forms sent to Edwin Coe 2 weeks ago.

Posted by William.B.Hill. on Tue, 19/05/2009 - 13:37
19th May and still no sign of

19th May and still no sign of any communication whatsoever from the Administrators, here in Mexico. Sadly reassuring to see that some depositors in places much nearer UK are unfortunately in the same boat. Incredible to see so many mail-service failures - and in areas with normally efficient systems too. . . .

Most impressive, NOT.

Posted by Emabroad on Tue, 19/05/2009 - 13:20
Still no voting papers nor

Still no voting papers nor amendments to me in Bahrain although a colleague ( Class 1) using the same c/o address has received both, for his 2 accounts. I'm Class 2.
Glad I already downloaded it and sent it back. Not happy that to get in in time I DHLd it. With the change in date I could have used normal post and saved a few dinars!

Posted by october on Tue, 19/05/2009 - 08:09
today is the 19th of may 2009

today is the 19th of may 2009 and I have not received any voting papers or any other documentation from IOM in malaysia to date.

Posted by howagcr on Tue, 19/05/2009 - 04:26
May 19th today... We each

May 19th today... We each received our revised explanatory statements yesterday evening, but no voting papers - yet...

I also haven't had an acknowledgement for our votes from Edwin Coe or DAG, and was similarly concerned - but I know they were received (by courier) and signed for, so am assuming/hoping that the DAG Team are simply inundated... I did receive a prompt acknowledgement for a legal contribution though - done through Paypal on the 14th.

Posted by Hoping and coping on Tue, 19/05/2009 - 02:35
Actually I would rather

Actually I would rather people sent their votes by email or fax (with a back up by mail). I am becoming increasingly concerned that they will call this a non-vote (I am convinced as it stands the SoA will be voted down unless there are further Mugabesque shennanigans with the results. This could delay the liquidation further with another postponement due to their own incompetences.

Today I received my...........yes you guessed it - revised explanatory statement. No sign as yet of my voting stuff. I am also somewhat concerned I have not had an email acknowledgement from Edwin Coe or DAG for my vote and a legal contribution respectively both made on Mon May 10th.

Posted by nr8209 on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 23:29
I suppose that I, too,

I suppose that I, too, should be 'astonished' to have received nothing (in Brazil 18/5/09) - no voting papers, no scheme of arrangement no amendments to them.

But, of course, I'm past being astonished at any incompetence associated with this shambles. Especially as the Provisional Liquidator told me that the original documents were sent by 'Royal Mail Air Mail' which in the event they almost certainly weren't.

But then listening to the Phone-In Question sessions and a presentation at one of the road shows (which didn't present the slides to which he was referring) the LP seems to know little of what's going on - or if he does, he's not telling.

Posted by brianbrasil1 on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 17:39
Here is the email I sent to

Here is the email I sent to the LP this afternoon (18th May)

Dear Mr Simpson

I was astonished to receive today your letter dated 12th May 2009 (the envelope of which is clearly franked "14.05.09-PM") concerning a 'Revised Appendix 1 of the Expanatory Statement of the Scheme of Arrangement".

I have received no previous (and thus unrevised) document to which this could refer. Through consulting the Kauphtingsingers.co.im website, I learn that this "Explanatory Statement" was intended to assist creditors in casting their votes at a meeting which takes place tomorrow (19th May), and for which the deadline for appointing proxies was Friday 15th May.

The non-arrival of these documents has effectively disenfranchised me. Furthermore consulting the various websites, among them that of the Depositors Action Group, listed under your rubric "Useful Websites" I find that I am by no means alone in failing to recive the Statement and Proxy forms.

I note that it is permitted for those who have already registered their votes to change them by 27th May in the light of the revised Appendix.

I hope that you will also see fit to extend the same deadline to those who, like myself, have been disenfranchised by the absence of any communication from you about the vote. I would appreciate your prompt reply to this point.

May I furthermore suggest that you carry out a survey to discover how many creditors have failed to receive the necessary documents and have thus been disenfranchised. If this number is sigificant, it will have consequences for the validity of the voting process.

In my experience post from mainland Britain and the Isle of Man to The Netherlands takes on average 3 to 4 days (as was the case with the Revised Appendix). Unless of course it has lain somewhere, as the Revised Appendix evidently did for at least a day and a half between its being dated and its envelope being franked.

Yours faithfully

I sent this to the email address Simpson gives on all his website updates: branch(?)kaupthing [dot] com.

Question: Why does Mr. Simpson, of the 'independent' accountancy firm PriceWaterhouseCooper have an email at the domain of Kaupthing hf, the parental company with which KSF(IoM) is in dispute about a parental guarantee.

Question: Why are Mike Simpson's updates on the domain "http://www.kaupthingsingers.co.uk" the so-called independent though sisterly company of KSF(IoM), when KSF(IoM) is in dispute with KSF(UK) over the matter of a missing 500 or so millions of pounds?

Posted by Minotaur on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 16:33
I received my forms here in

I received my forms here in Perth, Australia on Wed 13th May and my wife received hers today Mon 18th May, both via Switzerland.

Posted by ozsaver on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 14:28
I have received the forms

I have received the forms last week 12th May. I have completed the form with proxy to Stuart Roberts, Where should I mail this ?

I had downloaded the forms from the website and already sent these forms earlier by Post to
Edwin Coe LLP
2 Stone Buildings
Lincoln's Inn
London WC2A 3TH

Should I mail this (original) to the above address or use the self-addressed envelope
The Jointer Liquidator Provisionally
KSF IoM Limited
PO BOX 197
Samuel Harris House
5-11 St Georges Street
Douglas
Isle of Man
IM99 1SN

Posted by expat_belgium on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 14:12
klauseriksen, Class 1 voting

klauseriksen, Class 1 voting forms also missing. Our account is well over £50,000 but, as we have our two adult children also listed as joint depositors, we all qualify as fully protected depositors (ie. Class 1). As of today, May18th, none of us have received the voting forms. Living in a major city in Canada, we normally receive mail from England within 4 days. Even a ship crosses in 5 or 6 days.

I don't believe any particular group were treated differently. It was simply a matter of incompetence on the part of those charged with protecting the interests of the depositors.

Posted by Anonymous on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 14:09
My Papers arrived or rather

My Papers arrived or rather i picked them up from the PO at 1.30 they arrived there this morning , the revised balance sheet arrived Thurs/ Friday but as it was a local fiesta on Friday , this was posted in the IOM 14th May and arrived in 4 days even allowing for fiestas, weekend etc . now the scheme / voting papers I am told these were posted/ Franked IOM 27 April . Mine have been via Madrid Aptdo 20 28820 , were they sent out by a bulk mailing company and then distributed from there?
They are not even marked as airmail , so can I ask if I can get a letter telling me that sorry we cant count / OOps mistake in 4 days why could they not do it with scheme papers , how the hell am I supposed to read, absorb, calculate what is the best way forward , fill it all in and return it by the morning, as prior to the papers it was all hearsay and gossip.

Thailand I am only in Spain , I can feel another delaying tactic in this , OK chaps lets give everybody another month to get the proper forms back , as I bet the emailed copies will not be allowed or there will be some other technical/ legal reason for more fees / costs to be accrued.
Pretty colours the forms should make good paper planes

Posted by riograna on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 13:31
More Mugabe election

More Mugabe election tactics:
Yes it would seem so. I am a group 2 depositor currently living in Azerbaijan and only received my voting papers today. What is interesting though is that a colleague of mine here in Azerbaijan who is in group 1 received his voting papers a week ago. Hence it would definitely seem that sending out the papers to group 2 was delayed compared to group 1. I for one do not trust anything which has to do with the IOMG anymore.

Posted by klauseriksen on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 11:56
No voting papers received as

No voting papers received as of 18 May - Thailand

Posted by Anonymous on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 11:22
18th May. Still no voting

18th May. Still no voting papers!

Posted by grandmaparis on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 11:00
Still no voting papers

Still no voting papers (France) as of Monday May 18.

Amended balance sheet arrived here in the Alsace on Saturday May 16, (ie within 2 days), but then they put the correct postage on that one..... Could honestly be weeks before we see the voting papers if they didn't get the postage right.

At best, idiots....

Posted by Anonymous on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 09:14
Galicia Voting packs (x2) -

Galicia

Voting packs (x2) - received 14th May via magazine bulk mail
Revised balance sheets, etc. - by email - letter written 12th - emailed 14th May
Revised balance sheets, etc. - by letter (x2) - letters written 12th - postmarked 14th - received 18th

Why two days to email/post an urgent revision?

"You tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is never to try" - Homer Simpson

Posted by Anonymous on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 08:50
Received the voting pack

Received the voting pack today (18 May) in UAE. Posted in Switzerland (but no date showing).

Have of course already responded by downloading from the web and following through with a "signed" copy to the Liquidator Provisional.

Posted by homeless on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 07:27
Received our voting packs

Received our voting packs here (near Denia) on the 14th May but we had already downloaded & sent our vote to Edwin Coe.

Posted by costablanca on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 07:11
No voting papers, no amended

No voting papers, no amended balance sheet, nothing received here at all in Spain.

Post from the UK to here can be anything from 2 days onwards, but rarely as much as a week.

Fortunately we have downloads and email...

Posted by Niko on Mon, 18/05/2009 - 00:15
Still no voting papers

Still no voting papers received here in France, but amended balance sheet received promptly. Have emailed Mr Simpson to tell him he must have been "misinformed" about voting papers being sent outas of late April..

Kind regards,

DoctorJames

Posted by DoctorJames on Sun, 17/05/2009 - 08:28
More like Mugabe.....

More like Mugabe.....

Posted by Pat on Sun, 17/05/2009 - 01:38
We received voting papers in

We received voting papers in Dubai today 16th May. Fortunately we'd already downloaded papers and faxed them with "at discretion" vote to Edwin Coe and sent the original copies in the post.

Posted by jetski on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 18:39
Wonder if they (IOMT) have

Wonder if they (IOMT) have read “Mr Mugabwe's Idiots Guide to Elections and How to Rig Voting.” Now available from all back street bookshops and online at "Dubious Books.com"

Posted by Tricky Dicky on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 17:57
The same here in Lot et

The same here in Lot et Garonne - the amended balance sheet arrived today post marked 14 May. We also received by email from LP but no voting papers!

Have downloaded and sent originals after emailing to Edwin Coe.

Thanks DAG for keeping us up to date.

Posted by clodhopper on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 16:21
It is so clear that the IOMT

It is so clear that the IOMT is doing everything in its power to get this SoA voted in, but I really didn't think that they would stoop so low to get people to change their votes, by saying "Oh sorry we got our numbers wrong, so now you can change your vote and accept the SoA as you're so lucky to be getting a guarantee of 70p before we get out dosh back." Do you think they have been asking Gadaffi or Chavez for advice??

Posted by chd on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 16:17
Interesting that the amended

Interesting that the amended balance letter is dated 12th May, but apparently no mention was made of this monumental revelation during the roadshows...Interesting that this letter (with the notice that one can change one's vote in view of the amended balance) has arrived before the voting forms for so many... Interesting that all of these packages now en route contain information that is outdated - and this is much more significant than Simpson is letting on. For goodness sake, with a 50p/£ return, our expected realisation drops to ~£120M - only twice as much to go around 11,400 depositors as Whelan got back for himself - how does that feel?
Ice

Posted by IceCrusher on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 15:38
Same too! Amended balance

Same too! Amended balance sheet arrived here in Paris this morning (posted Douglas IOM 14.05.09 PM) but still no voting papers!) So they've got the right address.

Posted by grandmaparis on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 14:16
Amended balance sheet posted

Amended balance sheet posted Douglas, IoM 14 May-pm, arrived today here in Brittany too (postage paid airmail) - also received by email. Needless to addI still don't have the original documents.

This latest would have come as a real bolt from the blue for anyone still unaware that a vote was going on in which they should have sent a proxy by yesterday! The LPs could at least have taken the opportunity to include a note saying there had been a problem with posting and that anyone not having received notice of the vote should contact them immediately. But no - nothing of the sort!!

Posted by anrigaut on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 12:25
Still no voting papers or SOA

Still no voting papers or SOA documentation in Lot et Garonne. However amended Balance Sheet arrived today posted 14th May pm IoM!!

Posted by btandkt on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 12:15
@Notamused: There may be many

@Notamused: There may be many rats but I don't think this is one of them!
Posting the downloaded form (on paper!) is OK.

PS The cross-channel mail boats are slow too!! Still nothing here in far-flung France.

Posted by anrigaut on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 11:53
16th May and still nothing.

16th May and still nothing. I'm in EU and UK mail takes 2-3 days only. What a shower!

Posted by Hawkerman on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 09:51
I think that what they mean

I think that what they mean by "original" is that they want an original signature, but not necessarily on their original voting papers. A downloaded copy, e-mailed and then mailed by regular post should suffice.

Posted by chd on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 08:25
I too am in the land of the

I too am in the land of the rising sun and the slow mail boat. I down loaded the voting form and posted it off (hopefully) just within the deadline. BUT now I understand that my vote won't be recognised as valid without the authentic voting paper back up. There's a 'Catch Twenty Two' somewhere here, or is it a rat I smell????

Posted by notamused on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 08:08
I am in Sri Lanka. Today ,

I am in Sri Lanka. Today , May 16th...still no sign of them.
Thank goodness for E mail!!!

Posted by tsunamivictim on Sat, 16/05/2009 - 06:17
Reasons why I have not

Reasons why I have not received my voting forms:

Me: I STILL have not received my voting forms. I want to track them down with help from the post office. The mail service between the UK and Japan is always reliable and fast. When did you send them?

Them: Hi
They were sent on Monday April 27th.You can download the forms from the website at www.kaupthingsiners.co.im .I would advise this as the vote has to be in by 5 p.m today.
Regards

Me: Did you sent the forms by surface mail?

Them: Hi
They were sent out by surface mail.
Regards


Surface mail! I am low priority.

Posted by Anonymous on Fri, 15/05/2009 - 21:49
As of today, May 15th, we, in

As of today, May 15th, we, in the capital city of Canada, have still NOT received our voting forms.

Mail delivery is normally received within 4 to 5 days from England as demonstrated when we recently received notification that our EPS2 payment had been processed.

Posted by Anonymous on Fri, 15/05/2009 - 16:56