Read: IMPORTANT changes to Forums/Groups

Posted 22/07/2009 - 13:40 by ng

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Update 21-Oct-2011

Now that there are relatively few users here, the whole Groups concept has become de-emphasized. It had its place at the time, and still has its uses (Geographical Groups for example), but for most purposes it now makes sense to return to the one big room scenario.

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Groups - An analogy

Consider two scenarios:

One big room with 500 people in it. All of them chatting to each other, all of them hearing what everybody else is saying. They tend to argue quite often as they don't all see eye to eye on all matters. Some of them don't even like each other but there's only one room. Every so often somebody comes up with an idea for how they might work together - a few people agree with it, a few disagree, but most of them just ignore it.

Fifty rooms each with 10 people in working together. The people In each room all know each other, and tend to agree on most subjects. Each room has a sign on the door to explain what work they are doing in that room. You can enter and leave rooms freely (surprisingly, it's even possible to be in several rooms at once!) If you're in a room you are expected to be helping with the work they're doing in there, but that's optional. In the corridor is a noticeboard where, every so often, people post a summary of the latest results from their room.

Background

Please read: http://chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/node/4429
The changes are being made for a specific set of reasons, which I have tried to document extensively. Please follow the links from that page and read below...

Please think twice before posting into All Members

Please post into suitable groups (create a new project group if needed). Blog posts, remain independent (visible publicly) and are primarily intended for "announcements" as opposed to "discussions".

But, I want my post to be read and discussed by All Members!

If you want to ask a question, ask it in the Help group (it doesn't exist yet, but I hoping that somebody will notice that it would be a good idea to set one up, and then do just that.) If you want to make an announcement, use a blog post.

Too complex?

The basic strategy is for the site to be a teamwork platform facilitating collaborative effort on joint projects such as production of car stickers or a viral video. It is not, and never has been a news/PR site (that's what the public site was intended for.) It's not really a chat site either (at least not idle chat) - the word chat was chosen for historic reasons and suited the situation at the time. The public (www) site needs to be managed better (in terms of content) that's just one of the many projects that could be worked on.

Am I being dumb?

Since the beginning I envisaged DAG members forming teams and collaborating on projects where each project formed part of the one big project. I thought that's why people were here - because they wanted to work together towards a common goal. Of course, that has happened, but only in quite a limited way, considering the number of members. So, maybe I am very wrong about why people are here, maybe the majority of people just want to talk (or argue) and leave the actual work to others such as DST. So, if I've got it wrong, I apologise - let me know and I will give up on the teamwork platform concept.

What do you need to do differently?

Think about projects and teams that DAG needs to work towards its overall objective. Forget the forum concept. Think about collaboration, organisation and structure. Think about what activities need to be performed and what skills are needed to perform them. Of course, DCS is happening, Liquidation is happening. But what about public awareness, what about getting a result from HMG?

DAG is about people power

Hundreds of people working together towards a common goal. Organised, structured, motivated. Teams like well-oiled machines, intercommunicating and cross-communicating effectively. I like the sound of it, but I confess I am something of an idealist and maybe I am being unrealistic in this case. I am trying to provide the platform. But, you can only lead a horse to water...

If I am wrong

If I am wrong, we can switch to a simple forum system (actually already available at www.whenbankscrash.com) and my work here will be finished. If I am wrong I want to know - I am not asking you to agree with me, I want to know what YOU want. The teamwork platform concept is mine, not DST's, not HNW's, not Diver's, Hopper's nor anybody else. So, if it's not wanted it's only me who made a mistake.

Please vote on this poll to give me feedback as to whether a teamwork platform is actually something you want.

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website current discussion

I go to this website say once or twice a month these days. Like Podcar's posting, - I have always more than appreciated the work and dedication which has gone into the site, and although three years have passed, it is still the only source of info that I use. Without it, that first year, and especially at the start, would have been dismal, and even now it is a source of comfort as well as information.

I used to belong to 2 or 3 groups but, as Ng says, their function is now more or less over, and I don't go there any more. I mainly click on Recent Posts and read down all the new ones, following up any links which interest me. I also like reading messages which come through emails, and wouldn't wish to stop those.

So what am I saying? Nothing particularly useful about how to manage the site, just that I use it and like it as it is. It seems as though it's being tidied up. I don't follow all the ins and outs of the technical discussions, but I sincerely hope that it continues to be there.

Posted by sunny1 on Fri, 21/10/2011 - 07:23
Virals

I do agree that not everyone needs or wants to read everything but there are some things that everyone does need to read.

It's fine to have a forum to discuss the viral networking stuff but when it comes to opening accounts and posting messages on twitter etc. then it's vital that everyone participates or it just won't work.

Posted by lorraine on Sun, 26/07/2009 - 09:07
Members level of activity

Lorraine it would be great if everyone wanted to be as active as you, but as we know that's simply not the case. Yes, try to inspire them, but the balance needs to be right. Suppose we sent all members 10 emails a day asking them to open a Twitter account, etc - some might open a Twitter account, others would get fed up and perhaps delete their account here.

Some time ago we did this poll - perhaps we need to run a similar one now that some people have been fully paid via EPS and others will be by DCS.

Posted by ng on Sun, 26/07/2009 - 10:32
AGREE, AGREE, AGREE

Yes Lorraine I agree with you. I am getting tired of trying to understand. It is not so much I don't understand it is more. I can't do what I want to do.

Posted by conned on Sun, 26/07/2009 - 10:27
Conned, what is it you want

Conned, what is it you want to do?

Posted by ng on Sun, 26/07/2009 - 10:34
Completely mistified

I haven't a clue what is going on now and have posted a blog becausse I don't know how to post to all members. Sorry, perhaps I am thick.

Posted by conned on Wed, 22/07/2009 - 18:11
Posting into All Members (or any other group)

Well, posting in all members will be restricted soon anyway (disabled for most people) due to the spam problem that I've described elsewhere. But here's a simple way to post into any chosen group, including (currently) all members...

  • Look at the My Groups list (top left)
  • Click one of those groups that you want to post into (e.g. all members)
  • On the right you then see the list of posting options as always (Create poll, Create forum topic etc.)

In other words, from entering the site, it's just two clicks. No changes here, the only difference is that previously you could click where it said Write: Forum and that took you directly to creating a forum post in all members.

The groups shown in the My Groups list (top-left) are those groups you have already joined.

Posted by ng on Wed, 22/07/2009 - 18:43
Just on the topic of

Just on the topic of complexty. In terms of what you actually need to do to "drive" doesn't really change. IT simply the way things are structured behind the scenes. Posting into a group is what you have all been doing for months! (typically posting into the All members group. Actually creating a new group (project) is not very different from creating a blog or forum post - a few more decisions to make, such as whether you want it to be "private" or not. See: http://chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/node/add/project to see the actual entry form (don't save it unless you really want to create a project group.)

Posted by ng on Wed, 22/07/2009 - 14:56