DAG IT/Web funding via quarterly site subscription

  • ng
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Update 27/05/12 - summarised:

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  • The suggested site subscription donation is 15 pounds per quarter.

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Donation

  • Pat
  • 10/10/08 30/11/12
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  • Sat, 23/08/2014 - 03:00

Thanks for keeping the site going - 60 pounds donated


Paypal

  • saoversoix
  • 10/10/08 02/07/13
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  • Thu, 21/08/2014 - 08:32

I think I may have asked this question before, but is there any way of paying which does not involve creating a Paypal account?


Donation

  • Jean-Charles Marlier
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  • Sat, 14/12/2013 - 19:41

Hi ng,

     I just made a donation of 100GBP,should be with you by the beginning of next week.Sorry for the delay,and thank you very much for your untiring efforts in maintaining this site for so long in such a smooth running way.

Jean-Charles


Donation Payment

  • Wombat761
  • 30/01/09 20/03/15
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  • Wed, 01/01/2014 - 03:31

Another LST 60 transferred to chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/user to bring me up to date.

Thanks, too, NG for all your work supporting KSF -IOM Depositors cause.
Information is our key to success.

Happy 2014


Domain name registration extended

  • ng
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  • Sun, 13/10/2013 - 18:31

Thanks for the recent donations. I've now extended the domain name registration for a further 5 years, so expiry date is 10/22/2018. Hopefully that will be long enough!


Donation

  • Blades
  • 19/10/08 n/a (free)
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  • Wed, 09/10/2013 - 03:32

Thanks so much for all the work you do with the site ng. Sorry I don't have the skills to help.
Donation has been made and should be with you on October 15th.


Just donated, ng

  • glen07
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  • Tue, 08/10/2013 - 04:37

Hi ng,

Have just posted my donation. Many thanks again to all your hard work in maintaining this site. Thanks for reminding me that it's not quite over yet.


Domain name expiry, subscriptions, donations, etc.

  • ng
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  • Sun, 29/09/2013 - 18:28

The ksfiomdepositors.org domain name is up for renewal and otherwise expires in about three weeks (October-22). Renewal for 5 years is US $69.75, with shorter periods pro rata ($13.95 per year). Up to 10 years is possible, 5, or perhaps 3 years would seem sensible to me.

Separately, the hosting for this site costs £18.00 per month (VAT included).

On top, any maintenance or corrective work that may be required from time to time. That might cost anything from a couple of hundred to several thousand per year, depending on what might need doing and who does the work. My standard fees are show here and in the past I've offered to work on the DAG sites at a 30% discount. That offer still stands, but I'd be very happy for somebody else to take over.

Again, I would love somebody to come forward and manage collection and tracking of donations and payment of the relevant invoices. I don't think there's any reason for DAG Ltd to be separate any more, so perhaps Angela's team would be prepared to take it on?

In the meantime, here's the donate button again:






Hi ng, Thank you for all your

  • peter and louise
  • 18/10/08 01/09/09
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  • Wed, 09/10/2013 - 13:13

Hi ng, Thank you for all your efforts. This site is still very important for us. Have just made a donation. Best Wishes. Peter and louise.


IT funding

  • Pat
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  • Sat, 05/10/2013 - 00:28

ng,

Contribution made - Thanks for sticking with this for so long.

Best regards,
Pat


funds

  • cottesmore
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  • Fri, 04/10/2013 - 17:56

Hi ng
Just sent you some dosh!!! I hope everyone else follows through and sends you some money.We all know that if it wasn't for you we would have no web site,so once again,a big thanks buddy.Keep well,Mark


Good bye and thank you

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I have decided to close my account on this forum. Like so many in the early day this was a source of comfort during the sleepless nights and despairing days. I lost "only" £11,500 which in comparison with others was not devestating but it was a significant part of my lifetime savings. To add to the initial angst my deposit was part of a Royal Skandia bond and initially it looked as if RSK would be treated as a single depositor. Anyway I have the 10k from a while ago and if I don't ever see the remainder, so be it. Time is a great healer. Sort of.

Many thanks to all who kept this going and best wishes to those of you who are in desperate situations.


Contribution to IT

  • librasaver
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  • Thu, 28/06/2012 - 13:02

I made a PayPal payment to the site link about 3 weeks ago. I would appreciate an acknowlegement to my e-mail that it was received.The PayPal message said nothing about KSFIOM IT or Ng.


Paypal acknowledgement

  • ng
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  • Mon, 02/07/2012 - 22:46

I may have missed your email, but in general reply to all of them, so I suspect I didn't receive it. In addition, I've just searched on PayPal and can't find any payment made using the same email address that you have registered here. Can you send me a message with a copy of the message you received from PayPal? Maybe something is amiss.


PayPal payment ok

  • ng
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  • Tue, 03/07/2012 - 11:16

I've now found it - I guess I made a mistake when doing the transaction search on PayPal, so all is well. Also confirmed to you by email.


Payment

  • brennajm
  • 22/10/08 n/a (free)
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  • Tue, 03/07/2012 - 04:47

Dear NG
A note to tell you that I sent through a payment of 60GBP some weeks ago but didn't advertise it on the open forum (not sure if this will go out to all and sundry - hope it doesn't!). Anyway, I just wanted to say I'd done it and hope you've received it. Just received another lump sum refund of lost money - last week. So, am happy about that though the lost interest and devaluation takes the edge off it. Thank you for all you've done to help. Regards Brn.


In general PayPal payments

  • ng
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  • Tue, 03/07/2012 - 11:39

In general PayPal payments work fine - if you received an email confirmation form PayPal then almost certainly the payment will have arrived (less their fees, typically around 4%).

Thanks to everybody for their contributions, this site will continue to exist and be maintained in the near future, 12 months at least.


Donation to IT fund

  • mikepapa
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  • Tue, 26/06/2012 - 15:13

Dear Ng,

Apologies for delay, donation just sent via paypal.
My thanks for your continued support, which continues to be a real life line for us all.

Warm regards,

Mike


NG

  • Pilgrim
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  • Sun, 24/06/2012 - 15:56

Hi Ng,

£120 to support all in our mutual cause.

The words of others are much better than mine, but we all try to say THANK YOU. (+Mr.walker)

To my family you are known as Obe Wan Kanobi.

Respectful regards,
Pilgrim


IT Donation sent

  • librasaver
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  • Sat, 16/06/2012 - 11:04

£100 sent via PayPal today towards IT costs. The team's efforts are much appreciated, even if I dont have a clue how to navigate my way around the site!


Website

  • everhopeful
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  • Tue, 08/10/2013 - 04:03

GBP100 also just sent via PayPal. I would be lost for news and happenings if I didn't have this website and forum as would most of us. Thanks for all your efforts.


Donation

  • shellshocked
  • 23/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 15/06/2012 - 07:14

Many thanks. Just made donation.


Donation

  • jmf
  • 16/10/08 31/10/09
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  • Thu, 14/06/2012 - 14:56

Donation made. Thanks for the support for all of us.


Donation to IT funds

  • shafted
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  • Tue, 12/06/2012 - 22:21

Thank you for managing this site so well over the last few years .


donation

  • grandmaparis
  • 13/10/08 30/09/09
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  • Fri, 08/06/2012 - 21:56

Donation made. Many many thanks for providing us with this website without which we would never have achieved what we actually have succeeded in doing.


Donations

  • MarMan
  • 15/10/08 16/07/09
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  • Fri, 08/06/2012 - 17:16

Not being mean or decrying all the good work done through the website, before donating further I would like to have an idea as to what happened to the £400 I donated in two payments between 2009 and 2010.
As cottesmore observed in his post, it shouldn't be left to the same old faces....... We're all in this together, but sometimes I feel things are a little lopsided. Food for thought?


In the early days,

  • ng
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  • Sat, 09/06/2012 - 09:01

In the early days, contributions tended to be relatively large amounts from relatively few people. We don't need large amounts, the suggested 5 pounds per member should be adequate to keep this site properly maintained, fix any issues that arise and even make a few improvements from time to time.

This and the "old" www site are based on the Drupal CMS - whilst I think that was a good decision at the outset, the current needs could probably be better handled by some other system, such as Joomla or Wordpress, or perhaps simply a circle on Google+ or a Facebook group. However, moving to an alternative platform would be a lot of work/cost too, so without knowing what future needs will be, it's difficult to say whether moving would be the better solution.

Average Setup Cost and Maintenance

This article - http://www.comentum.com/drupal-vs-joomla-cms-comparison.html - includes the following analysis:

Task Drupal Joomla WordPress
Average Setup and Customization Cost* $5,000 - $50,000 $2,000 - $20,000 $250 - $15,000
Average Monthly Maintenance Cost* $1,000 - $2,000 $500 $250

I imagine those figures don't include any "user support" element (who do users contact when they can't log-in, can't upload a file, etc, etc?) The ksfiomdag.com site runs on Joomla, probably a good choice. The main reason why Drupal is such high cost compared with Joomla and WordPress is that it is an extremely modular system whereas those others are more off-the-shelf solutions. You can do pretty much anything with Drupal, but it's fairly easy to hit the limitations of Joomla/Wordpress.

Looking at the setup cost of Drupal, you might wonder who paid for that (were it $5000, $50000 or somewhere in between) for the two ksfiomdepositors.org sites. Some was funded by member contributions, but most of it was contributed by me (my time) with a significant chunk by Stef.

If I had to budget for the costs of maintaining this site I would say 500 pounds per month is a reasonable figure, though it wouldn't cover much technical support, and wouldn't cover special circumstances. Special circumstances might be recovering from a major server crash, or hacker intrusion, for example. Proper attention to security helps avoid the latter, and proper attention to system configuration and use of a reliable hosting company helps avoid the former. On top, proper attention to backup procedures would mean that, in the event of a complete system loss due to hardware failure or whatever, the entire site could be re-created relatively easily (though it could easily be several days or even weeks of work.)

I don't like my situation here. My ideal solution, as I have said many times, would be for somebody else to take over responsibility for the ksfiomdepositors.org sites. In that scenario I would be happy to offer professional services to that entity, and they would be free to look elsewhere.


Re the ksfiomdag.com site

  • anrigaut
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  • Fri, 15/06/2012 - 13:11

My thanks also ng for sticking with this site through thick and thin! It has indeed been a lifeline for many, especially in the early dark days. I still remember the awful sinking feeling in my stomach when I read that MY bank had gone down - and the (relative) relief to find this website already up and running.

Re "The ksfiomdag.com site runs on Joomla, probably a good choice" :

I would just add that, by keeping the site simple (enough for our present needs) and keeping our fingers & toes permanently crossed (!), the www.ksfiomdag.com site - which, in addition to providing for 'private' discussion between registered depositors/bondholders, has replaced the old depositors.org public site (no longer updated) as DAG's main public site - runs very much on a shoestring (currently under £300 per year).

The two sites are complementary and fulfil somewhat different needs (http://www.ksfiomdepositors.org/public-page/ksfiom-dag-web-sites) and I would hope that both can continue at least until our liquidation has run its course.

In this connection, please bear in mind that the two sites are run and funded separately (http://www.ksfiomdepositors.org/sections/funding). While we are not asking for donations for the ksfiomdag.com site at present, we may need to do so in the future if unforseen costs arise which cannot be met within our current low budget.


Donation

  • Lifeonhold
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  • Thu, 07/06/2012 - 13:29

Just made a donation. Much apprciate all your hard work, thank you.


Donation

  • koulanic
  • 18/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Wed, 06/06/2012 - 19:45

Just made a donation of 100GBP. Thanks for all your hard work.


donation

  • doubled
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  • Tue, 05/06/2012 - 12:51

made a donation a few days ago..........


donation

  • Fred
  • 13/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Mon, 04/06/2012 - 16:12

Just sent a donation. I appreciate your efforts. Fred


Just made a donation, and to

  • peter and louise
  • 18/10/08 01/09/09
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  • Mon, 04/06/2012 - 14:01

Just made a donation, and to thank you for all the great work you are doing.


Donation

  • Jean-Charles Marlier
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Mon, 04/06/2012 - 12:03

Just made a donation of 100GBP,thanking you for all the good work that you are providing us by keeping this website "alive".
Best regards,
J-Ch


Subscription

  • homeless
  • 18/10/08 01/01/16
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  • Sun, 03/06/2012 - 08:45

Ng.

I have just made an annual subscription. Thanks for all your good work


Thank you!!

  • bdsa
  • 10/10/08 02/06/13
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  • Sat, 02/06/2012 - 15:32

Hi ng,

Have just updated my subscription for one year.

Just a word of thanks to you for putting this web site together and keeping it up and running. It has been a lifeline for me, my family and many others, particularly so during the dark early days of this affair.

The KSFIOM depositors have shared a unique experience over the last four or so years. I'm sure a lot of us would go out of our way to attend a get-together. I'm based in the US now but would be willing to travel for such an event.


Original DAG site

  • ng
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  • Sat, 02/06/2012 - 20:31

Just a reminder that the site was originally set up by Mat Walker (name originally disclosed by him.) I got involved a couple of days afterwards. I don't know where/how Mat is these days, but he certainly went through a very rough patch as the result of his loss of KSFIOM funds.


Potential "hazards" of actually having a REAL PayPal account

  • OnceBitten
  • 12/10/08 30/11/12
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  • Sat, 02/06/2012 - 07:47

I've written a few days ago about the hazards of actually HAVING a PayPal account. Of course they are a legitimate entity, but because they are so BIG, there are so many crooks out there who are trying to cash in on their name. A couple of days ago, for instance, I got this in my email Inbox....

Dated: 30 May 2012 05:30:48 +0300, it was headed, "-Incorrect Personal Data -". It claims it's from PayPal, but a look into the actual header (at the top of the "Internet junk" that many email clients hide) shows otherwise....

"From: PayPal Ltd " BUT "Disposition-Notification-To: enccryptedprograme3 gmail.com" [They can't even spell "encrypted".]

"PayPal -- Dear Customer, (Your account access is limited)

"We regret to inform you that some of your personal data are incorrect . Please re-enter your personal data correctly.

"Click on the link below to change your personal data < paypal. com. au/> "

"Thanks, PayPal, © 2012 PayPal, Inc."

That's what it SAYS, but what the link REALLY leads to, is THIS: < dekeranga timmo. com/ epay au. html>

-- Although I have removed the possible hyperlinks and SEPARATED bits of both these URLs so they are absolutely not clickable (wouldn't want anyone doing it by mistake!).

I am sure many members here have had similar experiences, and most are too smart to even think of clicking on the link -- or ANY link -- they are not sure about. The point is, if you DO have a PayPal account, naturally you pay attention -- and without thinking may even be tempted to take the suggested action, because the first thought is naturally to try to resolve the "issue".

Anyway, so far at least, personally I have no great need for a PayPal account -- so if I ever get any messages about PayPal in my mailbox, I can delete them immediately, utterly sure that they do not relate to me. I know this may not help those who would like to create, or already have, a PayPal account, but it might just raise awareness of this continuing problem.

OnceBitten (but not by a PayPal scam!).


Phishing emails (PayPal etc.)

  • ng
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  • Sat, 02/06/2012 - 20:24

Did you see my post a while back about email security - the underlying problem is not the fault of PayPal for existing but the fact that it's easy to fake email from addresses. The solution is simple though, don't trust the "from"address, especially if the email is trying to get you to click links or provide personal information.


Donation via any other means than PayPal

  • brennajm
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  • Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:25

Hi ng

I would like to make a contribution but I have never succeeded in setting up a PayPal account and frankly I don't want to. Is that the only way I can contribute? I would prefer to make a straightforward credit card transfer.

Thank you

JMB


Payment by Credit Card possible & easy

  • iandavison
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  • Fri, 01/06/2012 - 17:01

Hi JMB,
Actually if you follow the link in NG's post you are able to pay by credicard via PayPal (without having a PayPal account).
Worked well for me. Good Luck!
Cheers,
Ian


Payment by credit card without a PayPal account

  • ng
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  • Fri, 01/06/2012 - 20:25

Interesting, I didn't know that, and don't think it used to be the case - maybe PayPal have changed their system. If anybody finds that doesn't work, I can receive payments into my UK current account - message me for the account details - but I much prefer PayPal as it tracks the history for me.


Thank you!

  • Yoda
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  • Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:06

Donated! And to say a big thank you! :)


DONATION

  • everhopeful
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  • Fri, 01/06/2012 - 05:33

Dear Ng,

I have just donated a year up front like others i.e. GBP60. Thank you for your work which has been at the core of keeping us all ing=formed.

James aka Everhopeful


Do you want a reminder?

  • ng
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  • Mon, 28/05/2012 - 19:17

When I updated this page the other day, it was actually in response to saoversoix's post in the Shout Box expressing concern about why his/her subscription expiry date was shown as expired even after making a contribution.

Since a few people have now said things along the lines of "thanks for the reminder" - I could fairly easily add a display somewhere on the page, or an automated email, or even a pop-up reminder, when the expiry date is a reached or close. I don't want to bug people, maybe a reminder with an option to turn it off?


Payment

  • sunny1
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  • Mon, 28/05/2012 - 18:09

Thank you Ng, again and again. Have just paid £120 via PayPal.

Say not the struggle naught availeth ...


Another donation

  • mesufish
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  • Mon, 28/05/2012 - 18:07

I have just donated, too.
Thanks so much for keeping the site running: like many others, I find it an indispensable source of information about what is happening in the KSFIoM world.
ng - your work is much appreciated but do, from time to time, give us a kick to remind us when funds are running low. I, for one, had forgotten totally about this.


Contribution done today

  • iandavison
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Many thanks for keeping the site going. Whilst I no longer access very often, like others, at the start I was glued to it almost 24/7 and it helped enormously. I just did £60 payment via Amex (which was easily done through links provided above). Cheers


Just donated

  • rhbbpd
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  • Mon, 28/05/2012 - 12:59

Thank you ng, once again for all the work you have put in over the last few years. I agree with an earlier comment - IF we eventually realise the majority of our capital, perhaps we should organise some sort of farewell get-together. Are you still in Madrid? If so, perhaps there. Roz


Farewell party?

  • ng
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  • Mon, 28/05/2012 - 18:33

I'm in Madrid about a third of my time, possibly will be full-time in the future (subject to my partner finding work there).

I guess everybody is aware, all the original content is still available on this site. Reading it now is really quite moving, especially Our Stories.

The idea of a sort of farewell party has been talked about from time to time. I guess the main challenge would be that people are spread around the world, but maybe several synchronised events in major cities could work? If we did manage to get 1000 or so DAG members together in one place, the event would quite possibly be news-worthy, a final chance to get noticed before it all gets swept under the carpet.