Polls & Surveys

It's becoming clear, we want information, and the Media are interested too.

This group will run polls and surveys, but also discuss what types of information might be useful.

Privacy warning: Please be aware that when you "vote" on any poll, your user id and IP address is recorded with your vote.

Age group of Depositors

DEPOSITORS ONLY - Please indicate your age
Under 25
0% (2 votes)
25-34
3% (20 votes)
35-44
18% (109 votes)
45-54
25% (147 votes)
55-64
36% (216 votes)
65-74
15% (87 votes)
75 or above
2% (13 votes)
Total votes: 594

Distribution of depositors by citizenship and residency

Depositors only: Please describe YOUR situation. "I am a ..."
UK citizen, UK resident
26% (306 votes)
UK citizen, non-UK resident
57% (685 votes)
Non-UK citizen, UK resident
3% (31 votes)
Non-UK citizen, non-UK resident
11% (126 votes)
UK citizen, IoM resident
4% (44 votes)
Non-UK citizen, IoM resident
1% (8 votes)
Total votes: 1200

How much have we lost (or stand to lose)?

Depositors only: Please describe YOUR situation.
Less than 1000 GBP
1% (9 votes)
1000 to 9,999 GBP
5% (57 votes)
10,000 to 49,999 GBP
30% (373 votes)
50,000 to 99,999 GBP
20% (248 votes)
100,000 to 249,999 GBP
25% (306 votes)
250,000 to 499,999 GBP
12% (149 votes)
500,000 to 999,999 GBP
5% (66 votes)
1,000,000 GBP or more
3% (35 votes)
Total votes: 1243

Should the Forum have a 'highway code' for the better conduct of Forum buisness ?

Resolving the issue between 'censorship' and 'moderation'
Background and objectives: 

Introduction

The use of the word 'censorship' is a highly emotive one in any 'free' Society. We all value 'free speech' and will defend our right to exrcise it.
However I think 'censorship' is the wrong word to use to describe how a forum should be kept in good order.

Everything that has been written about internet forums all say the same thing, that a policy of unbridled 'free-for-all-and-anything-goes' sounds hugely attractive but is a recipe for disaster. Such liberty in any forum is open to abuse, & regrettably that has happened in this Forum.

This Forum badly needs its own 'highway code' that members accept and by which they agree to abide.

Members need to agree how breaches of the 'highway code' should be managed. The best means of doing this in this forum is for there to be a small group of moderators approved by the members to have oversight of this task.

Moderation would be governed by a protocol acceptable to the membership.

This Forum has aims, objectives and a Mission. Our 'highway code' starts with the statement: Members are expected to make contributions in conformity with the Forum's aims, objectives & Mission (ie: 'drive on the left side of the road' !)

Forum etiquette

I suggest that this Forum's ' 'Highway Code' should be as follows:

(1) Posts should be made in line with the Forum's aims, objectives & mission
(2) comments to a post should be in response to the Post by addressing the issues therein
(3) comments under a Post that are not about or related to the Post are not acceptable (it's so, so easy to get off track from the subject of the original Post!)
'(4) trolling' is not allowed (see definition below)
(5) 'flaming' is not allowed (see definition below)
(6) the use of vulgar/obscene/offensive/racist or insulting language is not allowed
(7) statements that are considered libelous are not allowed

Definitions of 'trolling' & 'flaming'

  • A 'troll' is invariably someone with 'a chip on their shoulder' or with 'an axe to grind' who uses a forum for their own agenda. 'Trolls' are a disruptive & divisive influence in any forum;

  • 'trolls' seduce forum members into responding angrily to their contributions by using subtle, but controversial language;

  • 'trolls' will often divert a discussion off track in order to impose their own separate agenda;

  • 'trolls' are often 'outsiders' who enter a forum to disrupt its mission & cause chaos & division

  • To 'flame' another forum member is to attack them or their ideas in a hostile and rantish fashion. 'Trolls' use 'flaming' as their primary weapon

Role of moderators
Essentially moderators oversee a forum:
(1) to see that forum etiquette is observed
(2) to deal with incidents of 'trolling' & 'flaming'
(3) to take action on breaches of forum etiquette in accord with a protocol agreed by the members
(4) to receive & act on complaints made by one member in repect of another member's post/behaviour in accord with the protocol

Conclusion
If the vote on this Poll shows a majority in favour of a new 'highway code' for the better conduct of the business of the Forum, then I am sure ng will be pleased to accept nominations from members willing to be moderators.

This will relieve ng of the onerous task of being sole 'watchman'. He has enough on his plate being the Manager & Administrator of 2 - & shortly 3 - forums without having to 'moderate' as well.

After election I suggest that the moderators & ng then draft a protocol that members can vote on which will aim at balancing the importance of 'free speech' against the need to maintain forum etiquette where this is being seriously compromised.

I think the idea of a Forum 'highway code' as outlined is the best way forward for the Forum
34% (13 votes)
I think the Forum Manager/Administrator should be the sole moderator of the Forum
66% (25 votes)
Total votes: 38

DIRECT ACTION

Posted 14/07/2009 - 19:41 by peter and louise

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Your rating: None Average: 4.6 (17 votes)

We have been stripped of our life-savings, a terrible thing to happen to anyone in a civilised part of the world, or anywhere else for that matter.

Forum site balance between functionality and ease-of-use - is it right?

Do we need a Cessna or an F-15?
Background and objectives: 

The topic of "ease of use" of the forum site has come up various times. Depending on the results of this poll I may try to address the issue. Please understand that almost invariably increased functionality means there's more to learn (and more to go wrong!). Learning to fly and land a single engined Cessna takes 10 to 20 hours, To do the same for an F-15 or Tornado takes considerably longer I suspect. Is an F-15 "difficult to fly"?

We have a lot of functionality here, arguably unnecessarily - groups, subscriptions and notifications, polls, blogs, forums, news items, categories, glossary, multiple level of access, user roles, and more. It's all there for a reason, but in some cases perhaps there's just too much.

So this poll is not asking whether you consider the site easy or difficult to use, nor whether it's functionality is insufficient or excessive, but whether the balance is right. Maybe we don't need a Cessna nor an F-15 but something in between?

Is the balance right? Good? Adequate? Poor? ...

Very good
12% (10 votes)
Good
43% (36 votes)
Adequate
24% (20 votes)
Inadequate
17% (14 votes)
Poor
5% (4 votes)
Total votes: 84

Your opinions/feelings - who/what is MOST to blame for our predicament?

Depositors only please!
Background and objectives: 

Long ago we ran this identical poll. How do opinions stand now?

The UK Government
65% (108 votes)
The Icelandic Government
2% (3 votes)
The IoM Government
18% (30 votes)
KSF IOM
7% (11 votes)
Kaupthing hf
3% (5 votes)
The general economic climate
5% (8 votes)
None of the above
1% (1 vote)
Total votes: 166

DIRECT ACTION

5
Your rating: None Average: 5 (1 vote)

Is this not the time to demonstrate, right in the face of IOM Government, right on its doorstep, that enough is enough! How much more are we supposed to endure.

How should the IT/web function be handled?

Background and objectives: 

Background

As most people here know, the DAG is in the process of forming as a legal entity. Thereafter, the IT function could logically be part of that. Whilst I stress that I have every confidence in the members of the DAG Strategy Team, I can nonetheless envisage some reasons why the IT/web function should perhaps be kept separate.

Some important functions of the IT/web role are:

  • Take decisions affecting the web-sites, content and functionality, try to plan for future needs.
  • Control access to privileged information such as email addresses and data from registration forms, etc.
  • Decide (very occasionally) whether content should be "censored", a member "blocked", etc.

Currently these things are done by me on a best effort basis, in communication with DAG Strategy Team members, and where relevant getting input from all site members via a poll etc. I also try to respond appropriately to input made directly to me via email from members, etc.

So, what are the options?

For simplicity, I am referring to the new formal entity below as simply DAG Ltd. The two fundamental options are:

  • DAG Ltd is in charge of IT/web. Funding comes from the DAG Ltd "pot" which in turn is funded by members and goes towards legal and other costs. The IT function reports to the DAG Ltd "management" and that team therefore ultimately controls the web sites and related data.

  • IT/web is independent - funding is provided directly by members, probably via a monthly or quarterly subscription. Ultimate control of the web-sites remains (as currently) with me or perhaps some other provider who might take over.

So really the choice is one of (a) control of web-sites and corresponding data and (b) funding process and simplicity or lack thereof. And can see positive and negatives to both approaches both from the DAG perspective and my personal perspective. There is potentially a third option which would be some combination of the two routes.

Who should take the decisions?

Another question might be who in the DAG as a whole would be the best person to take strategic decisions for the group's IT needs. For those who have never looked, you can find information about me here http://www.netgenius.co.uk/about and here http://www.linkedin.com/in/ainman Unfortunately I am not in a position to be involved here on a purely voluntary basis, and that factor alone might be considered positive or negative (I would personally not like to be operated on by a volunteer heart surgeon.)

Example

A real-life and recent example is that there is a sub group on the site (non-divisive) who wanted to have a private area here to continue their discussions. If the DAG Ltd were in charge of the site, then presumably they would be allowed to access that private area or indeed decide that such a private area should not be allowed. Whilst I (if still involved) would make input, it would not be my decision.

In summary

The DAG as a whole (or at least those members who are likely to contribute to IT/web funding) need to decide which approach is best. I don't feel that this decision should be taken without consulting the DAG membership as a whole, hence I'm posting this poll.

Related: web-sites and IT funding - survey

IT/web should be entirely controlled by the new DAG Ltd entity
38% (81 votes)
IT/web should remain independent, as currently
39% (85 votes)
Some combination of the above is needed
23% (50 votes)
Total votes: 216

Is the DAG managing to "change the course of history"?

Background and objectives: 

Sometimes it seems like it's a huge uphill struggle. Well, all of the time actually. The header says "A small group of determined people can change the course of history" - are we doing it?

Definitely
28% (64 votes)
Probably
22% (51 votes)
Don't know
29% (68 votes)
Probably not
19% (44 votes)
Definitely not
2% (5 votes)
Total votes: 232

Consultation Paper on the Role of Management of the DAG

This Consultation Paper follows the report of the London Team

Introduction
I write this on my own initiative & without the prompting from anyone in the DAG. I wish to make it clear that I have neither been canvassed as a successor to Diver nor am I offering myself as candidate as leader of the DAG. I write purely in the role of facilitator. I do so as someone with a Masters Degree in Management & as a former manager of my own highly successful business.

My Story states I just escaped from being caught by the debacle of 8th.October 2008. That is why I am Lucky Jim! I have been advised that as the Forum Profile format did not make provision for other financial interests in KSFIOM I could tick I am a depositor because through a legal instrument I have made an interest free loan to a depositor who was made penniless by the collapse of KSFIOM. In effect I will be the beneficiary of compensation when it is paid. Thus I have a de facto interest in KSFIOM. However, I have chosen NOT to say that I was a depositor because that would not have been a true statement.

From the outset I joined the DAG to offer my substantial managerial expertise, together with my considerable experience as a senior moderator in another forum. I was invited to join the now defunct Core Group, and was Editor/Moderator until the Forum was split into two & these roles were dropped.

The London Team Report
What I now have to say is not a criticism of the members of the London Team members. I have the greatest respect & admiration for each of them; they are all truly great people & have done an amazing job.
Whilst I welcome its report, I am somewhat concerned that it remains anonymous, it having been written both in the third person and the first, but unsigned.

My other concern is that I believe Most members of the DAG do not know the people who are in the Team. Also the DAG does not know to whom Diver has handed his mantle.
I believe that the DAG would like to have a say as to who is leading it, just as it did when Diver was selected as its first leader (however imperfect that was in democratic terms, it worked!)

Right now I:
1. support the Team in this transisitional period in which Diver hands over the reins
2. accept the need to raise money to meet necessary legal costs

That said, there are a number of issues that are of concern to some - if not all - of the membership of the DAG which need to be addressed.

  1. Diver originally headed The London Team working in tandem with another Team in the Isle of Man ably led by expat.. Subsequently Diver broke away from the DAG to form what was known as Diver’s informal Team .
    Essentially Diver’s informal team was free from external control and constraint whilst still reporting to the Forum & seeking its support in its pursuit of the objectives that it considered desirable to achieve the DAG’s Mission. Central to this was a conviction that legal advice & representation was essential to the task. Not all members shared that view. However, Diver enjoyed the support of the majority of members, a support that has been continuous to this day.

  2. Notwithstanding the generality of the great support that Diver enjoyed, inevitably there were issues which were of concern to members. One was the infrequency of communication between Diver & the DAG through the Forum, and the other was the representation of views that were specifically those of Diver & his Team (including legal advisers) which claimed to represent the majority view of the DAG when the DAG never had opportunity to consider whether it did in fact concur. (eg: John Wright’s Affidavit to the Court 29/1.)

  3. A well moderated forum such as the CHAT Forum can be a good vehicle:
    -- for gathering & sharing ideas & discussing issues;
    -- for offering support & encouragement to members;
    -- for expressing feelings of anger, anxiety, furstration & despair.

However, a forum per se would not be any organisation’s chosen means by which to manage a campaign to achieve a mission such as that of the DAG

4. I feel the time is right to have a review of the way in which the DAG manages the task of fulfilling its Mission
The DAG needs to have a management, administrative & logisitcs structure that is appropriate for what it seeks to do

I suggest what is now required is a SIMPLE management structure to undertake the following key tasks:

1. Operational Management
responsible for:
a. Strategy & Tactics and liaison with the IOM Team
b. Public Relations,/Press Releases
c. legal consultation & representation
d. fund raising for financing the websites & legal fees

2. Administrative Management
responsible for:
a. senior Forum administrator/co-ordinator role
b. IT personnel in charge of the 2 Forum websites
c. Editors/moderators for the CHAT website

5. I firmly believe that the time has now come for the London Team to come back into the heart of the DAG as its Operational Management Team In effect it already carries out the operational management task as I have outlined above, but it would do so in a more transparent and integrated way as part of the Forum and not as an appendage to it.

Conclusion
The time is right for the DAG to overhaul its Manageral & Administrative structure in order for it to be better able to serve its members interests in working more effectively in achieving the DAG’s Mission. . The means of accomplishing the Mission would be better served if the informal London Team were brought back into the DAG as its Operational Management Team

Footnote
If there is a consensus for what I have outlined supported by a Poll, I would be happy if there were a member willing to undertake the work to bring this about. Failing this I would be willing to undertake the task.

LJ

Have you applied for the 1000 GBP "early payment"?

Despositors only (or representing family who are depositors, etc.)
Background and objectives: 

Many people felt the offer was an insult. Others may have other reasons for not applying. This information may be useful for PR purposes.

Yes
45% (255 votes)
Not yet, but I intend to soon
9% (52 votes)
No, I don't want to
33% (184 votes)
No, I can't (e.g. nowhere to send funds)
3% (15 votes)
I don't qualify
4% (24 votes)
None of the above
6% (33 votes)
Total votes: 563

Polls, changes and other information

Posted 26/01/2009 - 19:44 by ng

4.666665
Your rating: None Average: 4.7 (3 votes)

Poll-frenzy seems to be taking place taking place, probably a good thing. I've enhanced the poll facility to include a text area called "background and objectives".

DAG calls on the IOM Government to negotiate a loan with HMG to enable 100% restoration of depositors' money

Background and objectives: 

[Background and objectives should be described here.]

I agree
96% (510 votes)
I Do NOT agree
1% (7 votes)
I abstain
2% (12 votes)
Total votes: 529

Your opinions/feelings - who/what is MOST to blame for our predicament?

Depositors only please!
The UK Government
70% (302 votes)
The Icelandic Government
6% (24 votes)
The IoM Government
11% (46 votes)
KSF IOM
6% (27 votes)
Kaupthing hf
4% (19 votes)
The general economic climate
2% (8 votes)
None of the above
1% (3 votes)
Total votes: 429

Members' level of involvement

Please choose the most appropriate and add a comment if necessary.
I'm an active member, regularly visiting the site and taking part in all or most activities
21% (168 votes)
I'm a fairly active member, and take part in anything which I think is really important
56% (452 votes)
I'm a passive member, only really interested in receiving news and updates
22% (173 votes)
None of the above
1% (9 votes)
Total votes: 802

How many individual accounts did you hold at KSFIoM at the time of its demise?

The objective of this poll is to try to estimate total number of account holders
1
51% (239 votes)
2
29% (135 votes)
3
12% (57 votes)
4
5% (23 votes)
5
2% (11 votes)
6 or more
1% (6 votes)
Total votes: 471

Do you believe we should have legal representation in place in time for the next liquidation hearing?

Yes - I can contribute up to £10
6% (32 votes)
Yes - I can contribute up to £20
13% (74 votes)
Yes - I can contribute up to £50
36% (200 votes)
Yes - I can contribute more than £50
31% (174 votes)
Yes - sorry but I cannot afford to contribute at this time
10% (53 votes)
No - I don't believe we should go down this route
4% (23 votes)
Total votes: 556

Who took our money?

Depositors only: Based on your opinion/feelings, who took your money?
I was robbed by the UK goverment
74% (411 votes)
I was robbed by the Icelandic government
7% (37 votes)
I was robbed by KSFIoM and/or Kaupthing hf
11% (59 votes)
Nobody robbed me, it was simply a result of the general economic situation
4% (22 votes)
None of the above
4% (23 votes)
Total votes: 552