The www.ksfiomdepositors.org project

  • ng
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Posted: Tue, 21/10/2008 - 14:21

From an IT perspective, what a crazy project! Necessarily so of course. From zero to flat-out in a matter of days. No specification, no planning, no testing, and very few resources.

Well, I started the group as it would be nice to have some other people to bounce ideas off. I'm in interrupt-driven mode day in day out. Someone else might step back and say "how about....?".

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To the team

  • P.Taylor
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  • Thu, 23/10/2008 - 21:36

Nice work. That was a very skilful transfer to your new server and domain on the evening of Oct 23rd UK time.

You have a lot of national newspaper (etc) web links to your old domain. If you're not already on the case, it would be helpful if the old domain was redirected to the new one.


Server move completed

  • ng
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  • Thu, 23/10/2008 - 21:43

Thanks!

The redirect is now done, and DNS will be updated very shortly.

Would you believe the old server crashed exaclty 3 minutes beofre we were about to start the final stage of the move (live database). It was the hosting company (physical machine) down. Otherwise it would have been done in the 15 minute window originally given.

Special thanks to stef who tends not to post much here, but was absolutely invaluable for the move.


Thanks :) Didn't help that

  • Stef
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  • Thu, 23/10/2008 - 21:40

Thanks :) Didn't help that the old VPS server crashed just as we were starting to migrate to the new site!

The redirects will be sorted soon. ng's just taking a break, we've been working on prepping it pretty much all day so could do with cups of tea/beers. Should be set up in the next 20 min or so, with the DNS records themselves pointing here within a few hours (may take a day or so to propagate).

Do let us know if there's anything broken, though, and we'll try and fix it ASAP.

Thanks,

Stef

P.S. The new VPS is much, much faster, with a lot more memory, so slow page loads and timeouts should be a thing of the past now. (I hope!)


Incoming links

  • P.Taylor
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  • Thu, 23/10/2008 - 21:53

Okay. Just make sure you harness those old but vital incoming web links (to the old domain) from the national press and other 'authority' websites. They're an important non-replaceable resource for the future.

Later: Yes. It's been done.


Massive thanks

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  • Thu, 23/10/2008 - 21:47

to you IT guys...I have no idea what half the stuff you say menas but it sounds good! :-)

Without you we would not have this site and without this site there would be a lot of us 'lost in the wilderness'. This place helps knit us together and we're a lot more effective and annoying that way. Thanks!


Diver, we are all doing our bit

  • ng
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  • Fri, 24/10/2008 - 01:00

Thanks. You seem to be hitting the news, we are the back room :) But that's ok... our aim is to make sure that no matter how much success your team has, the web-site can handle the resulting traffic. Some strange glitches to sort out with the new server (it's FAST, and then suddenly not, for a while.) But in general we are moving ahead fast... New features becoming available soon.


Fabulous Job

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  • Wed, 22/10/2008 - 07:50

I too work in IT and would like to say what a totally fabulous job you are doing. One suggestion may be if the right hand menus could be minimised when you open the site, this way people would just see the headings which would make the site look "less cluttered" as there would be less text and therefore they would only be opening areas that they were interested in?

I also totally agree that a userguide/FAQs is needed, i am on here on behalf of my parents as they struggle to know what to do really as they are basic users, additionally they have very limited internet access which is v slow and i suspect others may be in this boat so the quicker they can get to info the better.

I am more than happy to try and help get some FAQs together as i do do this as part of my day job - maybe if you could post a list of the most frequent queries you have then we could get standard answers going and have a Help menu on the top right menu bar (i'm not sure if Help or FAQ is better as a heading?)

Please let me know if you would like any assistance and i'll do what i can.

Kate


Many thanks Kate, I have been

  • mikepapa
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  • Fri, 24/10/2008 - 01:45

Many thanks Kate,

I have been bugging Mat and ng for days for FAQs, but understand they have their hands full.

Just checked you FAQ's and looks like exactly what I was after - with a little effort I should be able to find my way around the site without keeping a notes all the time. :-)

Cheers


Many thanks Kate, I have been

  • mikepapa
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  • Fri, 24/10/2008 - 01:44

Many thanks Kate,

I have been bugging Mat and ng for days for FAQs, but understand they have their hands full.

Just checked you FAQ's and looks like exactly what I was after - with a little effort I should be able to find my way around the site without keeping a notes all the time. :-)

Cheers


Help & FAQ

  • ng
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  • Thu, 23/10/2008 - 11:50

Just seen it.. THANK YOU kate... we've been needing that for a long time.!


Collapsing the blocks (menus)

  • ng
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  • Wed, 22/10/2008 - 11:25

Thanks kate, I think you're right. The logic was that people might not realise they were expandable by clicking, so better that they see the options and later learn that they can collapse the menus by clicking the title. But there are now so many of them that the collapsed view by default probably work - new users will hopefully figure that they must be there for something and try clicking them. So, I'll change it.


Fantastic indeed!

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  • Wed, 22/10/2008 - 00:06

Yeah, it is a difficult one. It has broken every single s/w rule in the book - bar none!!! Yet, it is operating and doing the job. Perhaps there is a lesson there :-)

My only real criticism (and please put this is the persective of the overal sense of awe!) is that the site is too cluttered. There is a lot happening on the site and most users will not be tech savvy so may have difficulty getting to the stuff they need/want. Maybe reducing some functionlity to the public is needed - IE. not allowing the creation of new forums, news items etc....

Also (off on one now :-)) The header looks ucky - some of the top menu items are partially covered. Also, should the 'branding' actually be at the very top (in the Header section)?

And lastly, hosting. During UK day, the site starts to really grind; not suprising with nearly 300 active users at some points!!! The approach to Drupal for help has drawn a blank - they've missed the point that this could be a real marketing opportunity for them due to the global popularity of it - so i am out of idea's. Andy, did you manage (among all the other noise!!:-)) to find a higher performance host? Did the kitty get any $$$$ for buying a good hoster? Ive had some contact with folk offering money, but i think its more for 'personal' use - i've turned it all down (when i accept i know i'll have lost!) but maybe we could have a Paypal account for donations to the site running (if there is one, sorry missed that one)?

Mat


Site, funding

  • ng
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  • Wed, 22/10/2008 - 00:42

The server upgrade is ordered, the hosting provider is being slow to do anything about it. I told them it was urgent, not sure which part of that they are having difficulty understanding.

About site functionality - fair comment, it's about trying to get the balance right between functionality and ease-of-use. To make it more challenging, we have a very wide range of IT-awareness among the user base. My personal philosophy is that is the answer is on the screen then it's not the system's fault, it's the user's fault for not reading the screen.


Great Job Mat

  • mikepapa
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  • Wed, 22/10/2008 - 00:43

Mat,

First of all my sincere thanks for getting this site kicked off and in record time... its been a life saver.

I've just read your post and you are correct, I am, like I sespect many others are on this site, an "older person" and therefore not very "tech savvy". I can drive a laptop slowly - but no idea how to do very much more than send and receive e-mails etc. And this is the first time I have every participated in any sort of web forum!

It is getting very difficult to find and follow up all the new topics that seem to pop up, then disappear.

I should like to follow the opinions of particular people that seem to have specialist knowledge - like hopper cold-dose, bblair, diver, occams etc. I think it is possilbe but do not know how to do it.

Perhaps could you post a special page with 101 / easy to understand instructions on how to use the site for us "non teck savvy" folk?

BTW what does subscribe mean in terms of this site - as in the my account section?

Cheers


Ng!

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Could i just chip in that the site you see now is very largly the result of ng's efforts. Thats not me being magnanimous, ng really has put the long hours in!!


I should like to follow the

  • ng
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  • Wed, 22/10/2008 - 00:46

I should like to follow the opinions of particular people that seem to have specialist knowledge - like hopper cold-dose, bblair, diver, occams etc. I think it is possible but do not know how to do it.

Notifications (which you also ask about) allow you to do this. Once you set a notification you will be emailed by the site when a new posting (from that author, of for that topic) is made.

Yes, we need a sort of "User guide" for the site, at least to cover basic operation. It's the same old story - everybody is too busy to write it.


notifications

  • mikepapa
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  • Wed, 22/10/2008 - 01:02

Thanks your response

I have tried notifications but do not know how to access and/or set up for particular Topis or author.
Simple user notes might help us to navigate these functions a little easier.

cheers


Right bar

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One thing, do you get the problem with the right bar being shown under the rest of the pages?

The Right Bar objects (members, topics etc etc....) actual appear on the left, under the actual Left bar stuff. IE. They have wrapped around as if the page width is too narrow. I also think the Source Viewing has been disabled so i cant take a look at the html generated.

Mat


Display issues

  • ng
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  • Wed, 22/10/2008 - 00:52

Can you send me a screenshot? If there are issues, we can switch themes. The themes in Drupal determines basic layout. That said, we are using the Drupal default them which is usually one of the most reliable.


No. Its fixed :-)

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You cant fix the bug before i've raised the defect report! Typical dev... lol

Dunno what you tweaked, but it did the trick. If i do spot other stuff i'll send a scrape (i use Gadwin, an excellent scraper).

If no-one else wants to do it; i'll try and get a site FAQ together. I'll do it in txt and punt it thru to you ng.

Mat


Page layout bug

  • ng
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  • Wed, 22/10/2008 - 11:03

I didn't do anything! Put it down to unusual levels of sunspot activity. Actually, it might be related to the HTML tags in the header. I really need to fix that, it's just so messy. Still, functional.


browsers

  • occams razor
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  • Wed, 22/10/2008 - 00:17

I'm aware of the global browser adoption percentages, so I do acknowledge it may be a genuine issue, but seriously mate...

http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

FF3 user, no problems as you describe. Saying that I don't get the problems in IE7/Win2k either though.
What browser/OS are you running>


Heading logo image overlapping Search block label

  • manu_fr
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Guys,

Not sure if you notice it (on FF3 too), but the new heading with the left side logo is overlapping the Search block.
I will send a screenshot to ng. (Well I will not send it then... as I can seem to post attachments without creating a new forum topic... ) - let me know if you need it.


IE6

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Hmmm. Interesting.... And i am aware of cross-browser issues (my normal hat is a test automation dev) and indeed usually have a bug-fest when it comes to X browser testing :-)

I too prefer FF, but the machine i am on has to be 100% 'default' (with IE6 rather than 7 even)...

Still, interesting from a Test point of view (no, it REALLY is. hahha).

mat


A masterclass

  • P.Taylor
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  • Tue, 21/10/2008 - 15:50

As a web developer myself, all I can say is: superb. Teamwork and the web at their very best. Well done.

(Added shortly afterwards: a few pictures/photos would be nice - faces to names etc - though I know this is not so easy for users to do this themselves)


Photos

  • ng
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  • Tue, 21/10/2008 - 16:12

Thanks for the praise :)

User photos can be uploaded, then displayed automatically alongside posts. But the feature is turned off, to allow people to remain as anonymous as possible. Issue is, quite a lot of the members on here are not very used to using web forums, possibly not even very used to using the web. So they may not understand potential risks , e.g. that everything might appear on some other web-site, etc.

We really need to publish article explaining the privacy issues and possible risks. Any offers? :) There's probably something suitable elsewhere on the net.. I've got time to go looking though. occams, are you reading this? Any chance?


Privacy

  • P.Taylor
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  • Tue, 21/10/2008 - 21:12

Perhaps a privacy policy, yes. I see there are terms and conditions at the bottom. There are 'off the peg' privacy policies (and accessibility policies) that can probably be adapted. Anyway, I'd be happy to assist in any way I can.


We do need a priviacy policy

  • ng
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If you can find something that would suit us, that would be great. We want to be above board and proper in everything we do, and personally I feel the lack of a published policy should be addressed. Thing is, everybody is fully ocupied with other matters, i.e. trying to get our money back!


Suggestion for a Privacy Policy

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I hope this is helpful, as a starter:


Kaupthing Isle of Man (KSFIOM) Depositors Action Group Privacy Policy

GENERAL

This privacy policy sets out how the Kaupthing Isle of Man (KSFIOM) Depositors Action Group uses and protects any information provided by visitors and subscribers when using the following website(s):

http://www.ksfiomdepositors.com
http://www.ksfiomdepositors.netgenius.co.uk

The Kaupthing Isle of Man (KSFIOM) Depositors Action Group is committed to ensuring that your privacy is fully protected. Should we ask you to provide certain information by which you can be identified when using this website, you can be assured that it will be used only in accordance with this privacy statement.

The Kaupthing Isle of Man (KSFIOM) Depositors Action Group may change this policy from time to time by updating this page. You should check this page from time to time to ensure that you are happy with any changes. This policy is effective from October 10, 2008.

WHAT WE COLLECT

In accordance with industry standards, when you visit this website the server logs information which is provided by your browser. Typically, your web browser sends the following information when you visit any page on this website: the date and time of your visit, the web address (URL) of the page visited, the web address (URL) of the referring page (if any), your IP address and hostname (normally your Internet Service Provider), and the web browser and operating system you are using.

In addition, we collect a username and email address from subscribers to the website (but not from unsubscribed visitors).

In addition, we may attempt to send cookies to your web browser. A cookie is a small textfile which is placed on your computer's hard drive each time you visit a page and which waits until you next visit. It may help us analyse data about webpage traffic and improve the website in order to tailor it to users' needs. A cookie in no way gives us access to your computer or any information about you, other than the data you choose to share with us.

You can choose to accept or decline cookies. Most web browsers automatically accept cookies, but you can usually modify your browser setting to decline cookies if you prefer. This may prevent you from taking full advantage of the website.

HOW WE USE INFORMATION COLLECTED

Information collected is accessible only by the administrator(s) of the website. We are committed to ensuring that information is secure and have put in place suitable physical, electronic, and managerial procedures to safeguard and secure the information we collect online.

No information collected as described above allows us (or anyone else) to identify you in person or your physical address.

No information collected as described above is given or made available or disclosed in any way whatsoever to any third party.

The email address of subscribers to this website will never be used to send you unsolicited email.

Information collected as described above is used only by the website administrator(s) and is entirely for internal record keeping and to help us improve your experience on the website and to tailor it to the needs of visitors and subscribers in the future.

ANONYMITY

Given the nature of this website, we strongly recommend that if you subscribe, you do not use your real name but that you use a nick name that bears no relation to your real name.

If you are a subscriber to this website and you wish to unsubscribe, please contact the website administrator(s), who will, if requested, permanently remove all of your details from our records.

If you have any questions or comments about this Privacy Policy please contact the website administrator(s).


(A comment from me: need to make clear who (usernames) is/are the website administrators)


cookies are anti-privacy

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Cookies as part of a privacy policy is an oxymoron. I will not accept cookies. Please make this site fully usable without them.


steenJP - what makes you

  • occams razor
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steenJP - what makes you think cookies are inherently anti-privacy?
How do you propose to deal with login and registration on the website, or ensuring users have to be registered in order to post messages, without using cookies?
Cookies are not anti-privacy as such - they can be, but they don't have to be at all.
Virtually every website on the internet which you have to use a login/password to access, and virtually every web forum, uses cookies....


cookies: occams razor and ng

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Cookies gather information. What information? I do not want to provide info beyond that necessary to use the website.

ng, in your analogy, the pub offers the shirt; the drinker accepts the offer and proudly displays “membership” of the pub and his favourite beer. But even here, where everybody sees the transaction, the pub fails to disclose the reason for the freebie: advertising.

Back to cookies (generally, not pertaining only to this site).
There is no offer: accept our cookies on your computer or part or the whole of this site may not be available to you.

User registration checks excepted, benefit flows only to the site’s organization. I do not want data of my behaviour collected: frequency of access, the parts of the site I visit, etc. Cookies may also gather info of my computer, my location - well, you know this, don’t you?

I want to be careful.


Cookies do not gather information.

  • ng
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"Cookies gather information. What information? I do not want to provide info beyond that necessary to use the website"

Cookies do not gather information, they can only store information for future reference. Furthermore they can only store what is available to the web-server - basically your IP address, your browser type (which implies PC type and operating system) and what you do on a site (what you click or type - it can't know what you're reading, obviously.)

My analogy is far from perfect, intended for the benefit of less technical readers (we have many) who might like a simple way to understand how cookies might impart personal information.

"User registration checks excepted, benefit flows only to the site’s organization."

I don't agree - used properly the user benefits through increased security. Cookies allow the host system a much better chance of correctly identifying your session, and so can help prevent session hijacking. With no cookie, you could only be identified by IP address - anybody on your IP (other users in IP sharing environments such as schools, homes, internet cafes etc.) could pretend to be you.

"Cookies may also gather info of my computer, my location ..."

Broad location is known without a cookie, simply from your IP address, and which ISP you are using can be inferred from the same. Your PC operating system and browser type can also be known without cookies. Cookies do not gather information, they are storage - a "notepad" for the web-site to use for later reference, and in no way can they obtain extra information beyond what would otherwise be available - all they do is provide a storage/retrieval mechanism.

I would suggest you need to be far more concerned about the use/abuse of JavaScript than the use/abuse of cookies. Using Firefox with the "noscript" plug-in, for example, is one way to provide considerable protection compared with a typical browser configuration.

Some good information on cookies here (Wikipedia). In particular, the part about misconceptions may be worthwhile reading.


Arigato ng cookies

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In English: thanks, ng. Sorry to have used up your time. And if you are in England, you must be having a sleepless night. Lunchtime here. Time for a beer. Thank you for all the work you have done/are doing; without such a great site, the efforts of our campaigners would be weaker.

A different point: I'm having trouble contacting the site. I just tried to Save this reply and got timed out. Only 12 users and 59 guests online. Should be quiet. What's up? Try to Save again.
Help. Too slow. Can't save.
ページ “http://www.ksfiomdepositors.org/comment/reply/482/10742” does not open


Arigato ng cookies

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In English: thanks, ng. Sorry to have used up your time. And if you are in England, you must be having a sleepless night. Lunchtime here. Time for a beer. Thank you for all the work you have done/are doing; without such a great site, the efforts of our campaigners would be weaker.

A different point: I'm having trouble contacting the site. I just tried to Save this reply and got timed out. Only 12 users and 59 guests online. Should be quiet. What's up? Try to Save again.
Help. Too slow. Can't save.
ページ “http://www.ksfiomdepositors.org/comment/reply/482/10742” does not open


Arigato ng cookies

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In English: thanks, ng. Sorry to have used up your time. And if you are in England, you must be having a sleepless night. Lunchtime here. Time for a beer. Thank you for all the work you have done/are doing; without such a great site, the efforts of our campaigners would be weaker.

A different point: I'm having trouble contacting the site. I just tried to Save this reply and got timed out. Only 12 users and 59 guests online. Should be quiet. What's up? Try to Save again.
Help. Too slow. Can't save.
ページ “http://www.ksfiomdepositors.org/comment/reply/482/10742” does not open


Arigato ng cookies

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In English: thanks, ng. Sorry to have used up your time. And if you are in England, you must be having a sleepless night. Lunchtime here. Time for a beer. Thank you for all the work you have done/are doing; without such a great site, the efforts of our campaigners would be weaker.

A different point: I'm having trouble contacting the site. I just tried to Save this reply and got timed out. Only 12 users and 59 guests online. Should be quiet. What's up? Try to Save again.
Help. Too slow. Can't save.


Arigato ng cookies

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In English: thanks, ng. Sorry to have used up your time. And if you are in England, you must be having a sleepless night. Lunchtime here. Time for a beer. Thank you for all the work you have done/are doing; without such a great site, the efforts of our campaigners would be weaker.

A different point: I'm having trouble contacting the site. I just tried to Save this reply and got timed out. Only 12 users and 59 guests online. Should be quiet. What's up? Try to Save again.
Help. Too slow. Can't save.


Arigato ng cookies

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In English: thanks, ng. Sorry to have used up your time. And if you are in England, you must be having a sleepless night. Lunchtime here. Time for a beer. Thank you for all the work you have done/are doing; without such a great site, the efforts of our campaigners would be weaker.

A different point: I'm having trouble contacting the site. I just tried to Save this reply and got timed out. Only 12 users and 59 guests online. Should be quiet. What's up? Try to Save again.


Arigato ng cookies

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In English: thanks, ng. Sorry to have used up your time. And if you are in England, you must be having a sleepless night. Lunchtime here. Time for a beer. Thank you for all the work you have done/are doing; without such a great site, the efforts of our campaigners would be weaker.


Arigato ng cookies

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In English: thanks, ng. Sorry to have used up your time. And if you are in England, you must be having a sleepless night. Lunchtime here. Time for a beer. Thank you for all the work you have done/are doing; without such a great site, the efforts of our campaigners would be weaker.

A different point: I'm having trouble contacting the site. I just tried to Save this reply and got timed out. Only 12 users and 59 guests online. Should be quiet. What's up? Try to Save again.


Arigato ng cookies

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  • Sat, 25/10/2008 - 03:54

In English: thanks, ng. Sorry to have used up your time. And if you are in England, you must be having a sleepless night. Lunchtime here. Time for a beer. Thank you for all the work you have done/are doing; without such a great site, the efforts of our campaigners would be weaker.

A different point: I'm having trouble contacting the site. I just tried to Save this reply and got timed out. Only 12 users and 59 guests online. Should be quiet. What's up? Try to Save again.


Arigato ng cookies

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  • Sat, 25/10/2008 - 03:54

In English: thanks, ng. Sorry to have used up your time. And if you are in England, you must be having a sleepless night. Lunchtime here. Time for a beer. Thank you for all the work you have done/are doing; without such a great site, the efforts of our campaigners would be weaker.

A different point: I'm having trouble contacting the site. I just tried to Save this reply and got timed out. Only 12 users and 59 guests online. Should be quiet. What's up? Try to Save again.


Arigato ng cookies

  • Anonymous
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  • Sat, 25/10/2008 - 03:54

In English: thanks, ng. Sorry to have used up your time. And if you are in England, you must be having a sleepless night. Lunchtime here. Time for a beer. Thank you for all the work you have done/are doing; without such a great site, the efforts of our campaigners would be weaker.

A different point: I'm having trouble contacting the site. I just tried to Save this reply and got timed out. Only 12 users and 59 guests online. Should be quiet. What's up? Try to Save again.


Arigato ng cookies

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In English: thanks, ng. Sorry to have used up your time. And if you are in England, you must be having a sleepless night. Lunchtime here. Time for a beer. Thank you for all the work you have done/are doing; without such a great site, the efforts of our campaigners would be weaker.


Pretty much everything you do

  • Captain Mainwaring
  • 11/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sat, 25/10/2008 - 03:59

Pretty much everything you do leaves a trace, browser, OS, IP addy is all available for anyone to find.
Suggest you use "anonymiser" or any other secure proxy if you are concerned.
Whether you use cookies or not, you browsing history on this site is public to the site admins, all cookies do here is keep you logged in.


cookies

  • Anonymous
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  • Thu, 23/10/2008 - 12:47

For the uses you mention, ok.
The cookies I usually receive seem to be merely for data gathering, so now I'm wary of all of them until I learn otherwise.

On another topic. There are too many forums.


What "cookies" are for

  • ng
  • 11/10/08 31/12/20
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  • Sat, 25/10/2008 - 00:16

You can use the site without cookies, but not as a logged-in user.

Cookies do not infringe your privacy, but their abuse can. All a cookie can do is store some information, and only information that the web-site can determin by virtue of your activities there. Examples might be the fact that you (or somebody using your computer) went to a particular page on a particular site, clicked a particular link etc.

An analogy... if John is a patron at "The Nag's Head", and there they give him a free "Nag's Head" t-shirt (available to patrons only) - anybody that sees John wearing the t-shirt will know that he's a "Nag's Head" customer. Furthermore, suppose different coloured t-shirts are given to different people, depending on their beer preference, average consumption, visiting hours, etc, then quite a lot of "personal" information about John can be divulged simply by looking at the colour of his t-shirt. Are the Nag's Head invading John's privacy in some way by giving him the t-shirt?


Privacy policy - a great start

  • ng
  • 11/10/08 31/12/20
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  • Wed, 22/10/2008 - 11:19

Thanks for that!

  • No information collected as described above is given or made available or disclosed in any way whatsoever to any third party.

  • The email address of subscribers to this website will never be used to send you unsolicited email.

Those need to be expanded on - Here are the issues:

  • "Contact" feature: If you contact another member, your email address is sent to them as the sender of the message so that they can reply.
  • "Contact" feature: If you receive a message, your email address has not been disclosed. However, replying by email will of course disclose your address to that person.
  • Unsolicited mail: We do need to be able to bulk email members in order to advise of urgent news and events, or actions required. This feature is used sparingly and only for good reasons. Certainly we do not sell Viagra! (dunno though, the way I've been feeling since this whole thing started I'll probably needed some :)
  • Unsolicited mail: "Notifications feature" sends email. Arguably not "unsolicited" since users can turn the feature off, but in many cases (e.g. joining a new Group) it may default to on.
  • Unsolicited mail: We occasionally send mail to an individual for administrative purposes.

The above probably needs to be tidied up and put as a FAQ or "further information", linked from the privacy policy itself.

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Privacy Policy Mk 2

  • P.Taylor
  • 19/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Wed, 22/10/2008 - 12:15

Slight amendments re: email addresses:


Kaupthing Isle of Man (KSFIOM) Depositors Action Group Privacy Policy

GENERAL

This privacy policy sets out how the Kaupthing Isle of Man (KSFIOM) Depositors Action Group uses and protects any information provided by visitors and subscribers when using the following website(s):

http://www.ksfiomdepositors.com
http://www.ksfiomdepositors.netgenius.co.uk

The Kaupthing Isle of Man (KSFIOM) Depositors Action Group is committed to ensuring that your privacy is fully protected. Should we ask you to provide certain information by which you can be identified when using this website, you can be assured that it will be used only in accordance with this privacy statement.

The Kaupthing Isle of Man (KSFIOM) Depositors Action Group may change this policy from time to time by updating this page. You should check this page from time to time to ensure that you are happy with any changes. This policy is effective from October 10, 2008.

WHAT WE COLLECT

In accordance with industry standards, when you visit this website the server logs information which is provided by your browser. Typically, your web browser sends the following information when you visit any page on this website: the date and time of your visit, the web address (URL) of the page visited, the web address (URL) of the referring page (if any), your IP address and hostname (normally your Internet Service Provider), and the web browser and operating system you are using.

In addition, we collect a username and email address from subscribers to the website (but not from unsubscribed visitors).

In addition, we may attempt to send cookies to your web browser. A cookie is a small textfile which is placed on your computer's hard drive each time you visit a page and which waits until you next visit. It may help us analyse data about webpage traffic and improve the website in order to tailor it to users' needs. A cookie in no way gives us access to your computer or any information about you, other than the data you choose to share with us.

You can choose to accept or decline cookies. Most web browsers automatically accept cookies, but you can usually modify your browser setting to decline cookies if you prefer. This may prevent you from taking full advantage of the website.

HOW WE USE INFORMATION COLLECTED

Information collected is accessible only by the administrator(s) of the website. We are committed to ensuring that information is secure and have put in place suitable physical, electronic, and managerial procedures to safeguard and secure the information we collect online.

No information collected as described above allows us (or anyone else) to identify you in person or your physical address.

Information collected as described above is used only by the website administrator(s) and is entirely for internal record keeping and to help us improve your experience on the website and to tailor it to the needs of visitors and subscribers in the future.

No information collected as described above is given or made available or disclosed in any way whatsoever to any third party, with the possible exception, subscriber to subscriber, of your email address - see EMAIL section below.

EMAIL

If you are a subscriber to this website and you choose to enable 'Personal contact form' in your account's 'Contact settings', the email address you provided may be used to send you email by other subscribers via your personal contact form. Your email address is not made public to other subscribers in the community but if you contact another subscriber your email address is sent to them as the sender of the message so that they can reply. If you receive a message and don't reply, your email address has not been disclosed.

Privileged users such as the website administrator(s) are able to contact you by email even if you choose not to enable this feature. We do need to be able to bulk email subscribers from time to time in order to advise of urgent news and events, or actions required. This feature is used sparingly and only with good reason. We may occasionally send an email to a subscribed individual for administrative purposes.

ANONYMITY

Given the nature of this website, we strongly recommend that if you subscribe, you do not use your real name but that you use a nick name that bears no relation to your real name.

If you are a subscriber to this website and you wish to unsubscribe, please contact the website administrator(s), who will, if requested, permanently remove all of your details from our records.

If you have any questions or comments about this Privacy Policy please contact the website administrator(s).