Write to UK Ministers of Justice

  • chd
  • 13/10/08 30/09/09
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Posted: Fri, 10/04/2009 - 15:28

Please everyone write to the Minsters of Justice. They provide the main dialogue between UK and IOM.

Quote taken from their web site - http://www.justice.gov.uk/about/crowndependencies.htm:

"We provide the main channel of communication between the UK government and the three crown dependencies. We process legislation from Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man for royal assent and we consult with the islands on extending UK legislation to them. We are also responsible for recommending crown appointments in the islands."

Write to them asking them to fulfill their "main channel of communication" role. Here's a website with their e-mail addresses:

http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/ministerial_responsibilities/departments...

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Change of Tactics...

  • IceCrusher
  • 14/10/08 25/10/11
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  • Sun, 12/04/2009 - 07:05

I posted this comment elsewhere in reply to Chris Watson, but maybe others could use the idea for letters/email to MoJ etc

Maybe you're right; we've been speaking/writing on the behalf of 10,000+ but where are the other 8,000? Granted, some may not be internet savvy etc, but most will have someone in the family who is - unless they have not come clean about their situation. Others could be from 'higher society' who would clearly not join this group, or lower themselves to make public protests, but instead set their own lawyers to task.

30 or 40 turning up to 'protest' in Douglas, although extremely laudable, is hardly likely to convince IoM authorities or their financial hierarchy that they have anything to fear from "10,000 depositors". If this is indeed the situation, then we need to change tack. A trickle of letters to UK MPs won't influence them any; the thousands of emails received by the TSC preceding their first meeting with Darling had dwindled to a few hundred by the last meeting wherein he spent just 5 minutes discussing the IoM situation. The TSC's final report was cautiously and softly phrased to avoid causing any great upset to anyone in HMG. They merely called on HMG to 'work with' the IoMG to resolve the issue, but never indicated why HMG would find this necessary to do so - HMG is most unlikely to beg the IoM to please take some money from it to help out any 'tax-dodgers' is it?

We should concentrate on where the bottleneck is, and that falls squarely upon Mr Allan Bell - the true voice/power in the Tynwald. He has stated that there is nothing more that depositors' can expect from the IoM Treasury; well that has to be challenged because if Mr Bell and others within that Governance had vigorously pursued the £550M that their jurisdiction had erroneously placed in the UK, then we wouldn't be in this situation. The UK has held those monies under Clause 27 for > 6 months and the IoMG has meekly accepted this situation. They should have spent the £1,000,000 on lawyers getting that money back rather than cobbling a scheme together that might pay out up to 60% - and that only after 3 years has passed.

The IoMG's biggest fear is that their semi-autonomous situation could be taken from them; that their cosy way of taking care of their own domestic situation could be denied them; and that his archaic Viking oddity be dissolved so that the Island finds itself under the direct control of the UK Central Government. The Isle of Man is clearly very much afraid of 'big brother' UK, and the underlying ongoing fear is losing control of their independent destiny.

This is the weak spot, and this is where we should direct our attention. Mr Bell says he is not going to give us any more money from the taxpayers pot - but he is not doing anything to fight for the return of the money from the UK either. He and the Chief Minister rolled over on this point months ago. We should undermine Bell's position and integrity, he has a shady past and other affiliations that could go against him; we have a lever that could be used very effectively against this Island if applied in the right quarters: how is a semi-autonomous island allowed to transact billions of pounds worth of business without a bank of last resort? How does the UK Ministry of Justice allow this situation to continue in the knowledge that thousands of British depositors have already been deprived of their rightful savings caused by actions taken by the UK Government which then absolved itself of any responsibility in the affected jurisdiction, leaving it to this poky island's populace of 80,000 to deal with? These people have been dumped with a problem too big and too costly to handle, this population isn't even the size of a major town in the UK and should never have been allowed to get itself into such a position - no matter the cause. The same principle clearly applies to Guernsey. There is a reason that these two jurisdictions are the only ones not to have returned their depositor's monies. This message needs to be delivered to the MoJ; to Mr Bell; to Chief Minister Brown and all the MHKs; to the Lieutenant Governor and to the newspapers - and we need to keep on repeating it over and over until it sticks.


spot on icecrusher...

  • hippychickrobbed
  • 03/11/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 12/04/2009 - 08:17

That means we have to get going keep persisiting at this ....listen I really feel that okay the london demo will happen but we can get even more numbers together next time for another one on the isle of man, its DIRECT ACTION WE NEED MORE OF. Also like you said all of isle of man govt need to know we are not going away till savings have been returned to all. Its as simple as that......


Can I also suggest that

  • expat
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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Can I also suggest that people write to HMTreasury as well, they have a bit of role in this! They can revoke clause 27 for instance.

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk

I have also realised I have been remiss in not sinking Iceland with emails and letters! Has anyone got a list of email addresses of the appropriate targets please? Not much bothered with Bjork or Sigur Ros though!
Thanks


Iceland Parliament

  • rapata
  • 13/10/08 03/08/09
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  • Sun, 12/04/2009 - 16:33

Follow this link to a document I helped prepare for the Iceland Parliament contacts. It is the 3rd attachment in Lieben's email #7.

http://chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/group-topic/email-7-sent-150309-letters...


Thanks

  • expat
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 12/04/2009 - 17:22

Thanks


Iclenad Parliament Contacts

  • rapata
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  • Sun, 12/04/2009 - 16:32

Follow this link to a document I helped prepare for the Iceland Parliament contacts. It is the 3rd attachment in Lieben's email #7.

http://chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/group-topic/email-7-sent-150309-letters...


Expat

  • caledonia
  • 14/10/08 30/09/09
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  • Fri, 10/04/2009 - 17:01

If you get this list, can you post it on the site so we can all 'have a go' - many thanks.


Most certainly, just hope

  • expat
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 10/04/2009 - 17:22

Most certainly, I ust found this, which is an entry portal I believe its called by younger people!! From here youcab send commensts to the Ministry of Finance Iceland. Our message is of course stand by your responsinbilties and guarantee/pay our money 100% to IoM. Probably not as tersly as that, but along thoses lines!

http://eng.fjarmalaraduneyti.is/ministry/contact/

And this Steingrímur J. Sigfússon email address sjs(?)althingi [dot] is The Minister of Finance


Done

  • Julienne
  • 16/10/08 31/08/09
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  • Sun, 12/04/2009 - 17:53

Did ita couple of days ago -- I feel that even though it may be a trickle - we still ne to mail anyone that has / could have influence. Thye all need to know we are NOT going away.
Thanks everyone for the links again.