Where is EXPAT?

  • emjay
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I've been reading the postings on this site since it first commenced and for a while there seemed to be a real buzz, a lot going on and it felt the contributors were going to get somewhere.

When I log on now that buzz seems to have gone. When you read the new postings there doesn't seem to be many comments, etc, and there doesn't seem to be any action being taken (I apologise if there is and I'm just missing it).

There had also been a breakthrough in terms of getting the story onto the TV news, but all this seems to have dropped off as well.

I also remember when this site was first created that there were a number of very prominent contributors to the site (particularly EXPAT). They were all in a position where they seemed to have a very good angle on what was going on and also were very clear that they would not give up until they'd recovered their monies.

Where have they gone? Without wishing to cause offence if this isn't the case, can I ask if anyone knows why they've gone so quiet? Have they managed to do a separate deal to get their money?

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expat

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My recent thoughts exactly!

Since the site was restructured the previously prominent contributors seem to have disappeared. I may of course not be acccessing the site properly. However, I must admit to the same suspicion referred to above.

Very many thanks once again to all those actively pursuing our case, which should be the 100 per cent recovery of depositors funds.


I keep seeing that "where is

  • expat
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I keep seeing that "where is expat" bit and keep wanting to say 'having lunch'! Anyway I have just had lunch and sent this to Mark Hoban, if anyone wishes to follow on please do.

Sir

I have been informed by David Cameron's office that you are pressing for an enquiry in to the role played and actions taken my representatives of HMG in the Icelandic Banks collapse. I am a depositor with Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander, Isle of Man. I would like to think that many of my fellow depositors have approached you and urged you to press this mater very strongly.

Many months have now passed and the silence from HMG is astounding. There seems to be a refusal to answer questions placed by elected members as well as a great deal of unsatisfactory responses from the government side. It is not an appealing situation. There seems to be an almost willful distortion of facts and events.

It has also come to my attention and that of others that the PM has been requesting, and it seems working hard, to get the USA to return money to the UK expropriated from the Lehmans bank collapse. This seems to be a situation one could easily describe as double standards to say the least, hypocritical at worst.

There are, as I am sure you are aware, many issues we could discuss here, from the timing of events; the public statements by the Chancellor and PM regarding Iceland in general back last October, no mention was made of the fact that KSF was a sound bank, but it was made clear that ALL Icelandic assets were up for grabs as far as HMG was concerned. A linkage there perhaps? Or how HMG assigned themselves rights over KSF assets and then suggest they have no responsibility in this debacle. Its as if a smokescreen of self denial has perpetrated the government benches.

Could I please ask you to press this matter as hard as possible, the suffering for many aside from the simple matter of a grave injustice has become, for many, unbearable. I will not bore you with my own circumstances, suffice to say I am a UK citizen and I am disgusted with my governments conduct towards its citizens and those of other nations caught up in this fiasco.

Thank you and I look forward to your response.

Stephen G Thomas


KSF

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"but it was made clear that ALL Icelandic assets were up for grabs as far as HMG was concerned."

Actually it was clarified that only the assets of Landisbank were frozen. That was clarified quite quickly by HMG.

"KSF was a sound bank"

It wasn't. Iceland's banking system nearly collapsed in 2006. The FSA winded up KSF because "no longer meets its threshold conditions, and is likely to be unable to continue to meet its obligations to depositors"

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/press_102_08.htm

Why and how they came to this conclusion isn't clear. But the run on the banks was so bad that the websites crashed in the days before.


Thursday 9 October 2008 18.22

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Thursday 9 October 2008 18.22 BST

Gordon Brown has told the Icelandic prime minister that he is considering legal action against the country over the collapse of its national banks.

The prime minister said tonight that Iceland's decision not to recompense those with savings in the bank was "completely unacceptable" and the British government would do "whatever is necessary to recover the money".

"I've spoken to the Icelandic prime minister, I have told him this is effectively an illegal action that they have taken. We are freezing the assets of Icelandic companies in the UK where we can.


Not quite - re KSF

  • skintagainnow
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"Actually it was clarified that only the assets of Landisbank were frozen. That was clarified quite quickly by HMG."

Only if you call 5 days quickly, and this was not publicly reported - BBC & C4 only reported it 10 days after the event and by direct questioning of HMG.

"But the run on the banks was so bad that the websites crashed in the days before."

Again HMG put a block in place on or prior to 5th October on all Icelandic transactions - banks and other commercial transfers / payments. Not sure if websites crashed or if simply the shear number of worried depositors trying to find out what was happening with transfers that didn't happen in the normal expected timefrane. As the banks were not aware of any problems with clearance they couldn't answer the questions posed by depositors.


HMG block

  • David9J
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Could you provide a concrete source for the assertion that: "HMG put a block in place on or prior to 5th October on all Icelandic transactions - banks and other commercial transfers / payments"?

This was quickly reported on this site and accepted as fact, and I was verbally told the same by staff at KSFIOM. I initially believed it as my own transfers scheduled for 6th October were not processed. But I have yet to see a credible source confirming that HMG actually took any action and I now have doubts about it. I think it more likely that KSFUK did not process many payments from 6th October onwards because they were swamped with requests. I would be happy to be proven wrong. Thanks.


re HMG Block

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was / is an article in October from a Austin Mitchell (I've tried searching for the article, couldn't find it, but found a few others) he was trying to get answers from HMG as to when & why all transfers were stopped - his concern was that they couldn't pay the Icelanders for cod landed in Humberside - Iceland fisheries unless they were paid immediately were threatening to stop any further fish being landed there - hence loads of jobs at risk short > long term in the processing & food plants & associated industries.

Here's some questions Austin Mitchell put to the treasury - notice our much loved Mr Pearson doesn't answer question #6 --- the timing - also notice the article states 17th October when HMG clarified the situation re freezing of accounts --- there's a poll on this site to ask if Pearson has answered the questions posed -- want to guess % of the No vote.. LOL

not quite a quick OOOpppsss sorry guv didn't mean all transactions.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2008-11-17c.231629.h

another article on the same thing - but stating 8th and relating it to the Landsbanki freezing order - however UK banks were informed days prior to the freezing order not to process Icelandic transactions
http://www.fishnewseu.com/latest-news/uk/399.html

The actual date when the banks were informed is something we'll probably never know for sure - except the DAG had it from bank staff instructions were in place for days - paper trail back - unlikely.

From his website - quite a good laugh

http://www.austinmitchell.org/news/opinions/letter-to-lord-myners---paym...


Austin Mitchell's letter - Treasury has responsibility

  • sami
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His comment in the closing para. makes a good point, and relates exactly to what has happened to us, in so far as HMG has behaved so heavy-handedly, and yet has not dealt with the consequences...

"I hope you'll enquire into what happened and tell me why. If Treasury is going to intervene in such a heavy-handed way it has a responsibility to deal with the consequences not just fall silent and withdraw up its own Olympian Heights or any other place."


HMG Block...

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david9j

There was comment on the forum some time ago that money laundering under the Anti Terrorism Crime and Security Act 'tip off' rules had something to do with it. I have not studied it as I am not an in-flighter, but here's a link that might explain more...
Ice

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/productsandservices/practicenotes/aml/459.a...


Thank you both for your comments

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I hope that this will be covered in the Judicial Review, it's the only way we will find out if HMG really did put the stoppers on before the 8th October. (I really enjoyed reading Austin Mitchell's reply to the Treasury though!).


This is an opportunity to say

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I just listened to this

  • expat
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I just listened to this podcast, well done to Mike Crimble for getting heard.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/ipm/ipm_20090110-1800a.mp3

Makes a change from the free iTunes download of the week!!


The Sunday Times today an

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The Sunday Times today an article about how Brown saved the banks!!! Please comment!

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5488944....


The Sunday Times

  • cottesmore
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Howdy expat,
I have submitted a comment in my own unique style!
Not sure if they will publish it though.I dont care really,it made me feel better.


Well they haven't put mine up

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Well they haven't put mine up yet either, but we can but hope!!


mine neither

  • bellyup
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Mine neither!


Just before Xmas I was in

  • expat
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Just before Xmas I was in touch with a member of the IoM Positive Action Group (PAG) somebody I’d met at the beginning of this disaster in Douglas, IoM. AS some of you know we had an email exchange about the issue of the UK returning the money or assets, these are not held by the UK but they gave themselves the legal power to stop the return (see Ice Crushers posts and others I imagine on that). It is the hypocracy of the situation in particular that irritates, as the Manx Herald article recently pointed out, it’s one rule for G Brown and another rule for IoM!

This is all about the Lehmans collapse which some might say was the incident that brought the banking system down.

So read on and make your own minds up, because I think this is the next issue to start to publicise s much as possible,

On the web were 2 reports of Gordon Brown supporting the return of "Lehman UK" Deposits from "Lehman USA".
So, why is he not ensuring the return of "KSFIoM" Deposits by "KSF UK"?

Report A
Labour Party Conference - Manchester September 2008
Lehman's European headquarters which is based in London often remitted money
from its London HQ to its parent company in New York where the money kept
overnight accrued interest and sent back the following morning to London.
On Sunday when Lehman filed for bankruptcy, Lehman Europe found that it was
down by $8 billion as the money failed to arrive leaving the employees and
creditors high and dry.

Prime Minister Gordon who would be visiting the US on Wednesday said he will
push the US to help return $8 billion from failed investment bank Lehman
Brothers to its staff in Britain.
Speaking at the Labour's annual conference in Manchester he said, "We are
asking and working with the American government to get that money back to
pay salaries, not of high-flying financiers, but of cleaners and people who
are computer operators who would otherwise be denied their money."

Report B Published: September 20, 2008 19:33h
Labour Party Conference - Manchester September 2008
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said on Saturday he was pushing the
United States to help get $8 billion from the failed U.S. investment bank
Lehman Brothers to its staff in Britain.
Administrators winding up Lehman's European business have questioned why $8
billion was transferred to New York just before the bank collapsed. There
have been fears among Lehman's 4,500 staff in London they may not get their
final pay packets.
"We are asking and working with the American government to get that money
back to pay salaries, not of high-flying financiers, but of cleaners and
people who are computer operators who would otherwise be denied their
money," Brown told delegates at the ruling Labour party's annual conference.

So as far as I and others are concerned this is a contradiction terms from the man who syas “I feel the peoples pain’, and is always preaching his version of ethics. Or don't hard working savers matter??


Expat back in

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Good to see that Expat and others are back in and contributing. I stopped visiting frequently when the site was all bickering. While I respect what others have to say, it saddens me when the criticisms get personal, especialy when it is against people who have done SOMETHING and not (like me) just write comments.


its disgusting expat...

  • hippychickrobbed
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What does the times, or the the independent, or the guardian think about that, yet he doesnt care about ksfiom depositors who have lost their homes, and pension incomes.


Like it Expat

  • Sophie
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I like the content as something that i can throw at my MP (and others). He is Labour in a marginal seat and has only minimumly responded to the blizzard of documents and information and requests i have sent him over the last months. In fact the only letter I got from him some time ago was because i 'threatened' him with activly working against him at the next election and complained to the Labour party HQ and others about his lack of response. He soon responded then - but silence ever since except for acknowledgements from his staff.

In view of his weak hold on his constituency i need ammunition to blast him again. I think that the piece that you, Expat, have put together is a good start. But i need more.

Expat could you and others tidy it up into something that you think is acceptable. I could and will do it myself but I know that you have a better feel for the issues than i do. If you could print a final 'public' version I will cut and past and send to my MP with some words of my own added.

Thanks Expat, its great to hear your words of wisdom again.


Sophie, I am not going to

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Sophie, I am not going to take credit, it took two of us to start that little ball rolling. So Joe if you are ever looking into this site thanks! I'll see what we can do Sophie, I'll see if the extremely erudite IceCrusher will assist, he really does write so well and flattery usually convinces people to assist!!!

THe was also an article you may have seen in the Manx Herald that emerged after that exchange of emails by the way, not sure if anyone has but it on the site but I'll re-post it if I can find it amongst my appallingly bad filing system!


expat .. article

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expat..This could be the article you are referring to, I thought it was one of the best,if not the best I have seen:

http://www.manxherald.com/index.php?news=361


Article

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I agree--great article--downside--circulation?

Ukay in Davao


jmf

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This is a very interesting article. Has it been posted elsewhere? I think a lot of people will miss it here on this thread as they will some of the links.


jmf

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This is a very interesting article. Has it been posted elsewhere? I think a lot of people will miss it here on this thread as they will some of the links.


Thats the one, thanks

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Thats the one, thanks mikeinfrance, I use chaos theory for my filing system!!! Yes I thought this was excellent, a well considered article, people should read this.


The Matt Walker Situation

  • expat
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I and a few others have received a message from Matt in Australia, as I posted a few days ago Matts situation is possibly the worst of everyones. So may I request that we start getting active again on the blogging front, get positive, forget this silly bickering and move on, I for one am not a victim and will not act like one, so for Matts sake alone if you will please go to this BBC site and make your presence known.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ipm/2008/11/an_update_on_kaupthing.shtml

One thing to remember everyone, there may be a small and committed group who often have given up all their time to fight this situation, but without 2,100 others acting together and following up with emails, blogs etc its not going to get this cause recognised. So c'mon positive action got us in the press at the start, lets do it agin please.


Greetings Expat

  • bellyup
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Greetings Expat

I would like to echo your comments on postive action by everyone ie the 2100+ people registered on this site .
Let us all make it our bussiness to do at a least one action a day email someone or just write a leter to Mr Brown to stir his conscience!

If he had 2000+ letters jamming up his mail box everyday he might take notice.

In view of the slow nature of the on line petition that is languishing at the 1034 mark I hope everyone is doing something.

I know its dispiriting and its hard not to succumb to depression but people just do your one action first!


Hi bellyup, yes I think we

  • expat
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Hi bellyup, yes I think we need to raise the profile again, I ain't camped outside the bank anymore!!!! I'm not so interesting to the cameras from Moscow, to ugly!!

Take a look at Ices stuff in my view, we need to point out in clear unemotional (if we can) tones that there is a contradiction and a moral dilemma here. There may be legal grounds, but I leave that side to diver and the legal team, who work very hard on this.

On the depression stuff, please anyone that thinks they re suffering please get assistance. I've been there many moons ago and know what its like. The booze by the way does not help at all! Thinking positive is easy to say and not easy to do I know, anger management can be difficult in this, yes I know I nearly put a table through a hotel window once!! DO NOT BE A VICTIM.

I implore you all to try, we can and have made a difference, you all might think it's slow, but in the scheme of things we're doing pretty well. As John Wright put it, it is early days and I'll admit the biggest shock to me as things have emerged has been the attitude of the UK Gov. The brazen silence has taken a few of us by surprise. Seems tiey have used this as a convenient moment to bully the IoM amongst other things.

So we fight on please, lets get onto blogs and send emails again. Lets raise the profile again please, Bloombergs are talking to us so we can piggy back off that I hope.


browns email address?

  • hippychickrobbed
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I agree dont stop lobbying? what is gordon browns email address? also darlings is not available I take it?


Good Evening Expat,Pleased

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Good Evening Expat,

Pleased to see you back up and running again.... :-)

Just posted yet another comment on BBC Blog as suggested.
May I encourage all DAG members to follow suite?

May I also request that we all follow Expats advice and stop all this mind numbing
and tasteless bickering, so as to get on with the original objectives of the DAG.

Kind regards,

Mike


Good evening Mike, hope

  • expat
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Good evening Mike, hope things are okay down your way. Chily here, but some hot topics to read eh!??

Sorry I'm getting stir crazy today!

Steve


BBC Comment

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Hi All,

Ditto to your sentiments Mike.

Unfortunately today is a BAAAAAAD day, my BBC comment was rather emotional, don't know if it'll do any good.


Its fine

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Yogi

Your comment was fine and more importantly its there.

Number 50 something i think.

Where are the other 2000+ registered people on this site.

Please go and say something make you voice heard even on a blog.

Where are you all?


I, and many others, am sick

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I, and many others, am sick to death of reading all the acrimonious postings that have multiplied over the last month or so.

Constructive discussion, criticism and comment are always welcome and are encouraged, but personal attacks are unacceptable. Maybe some members enjoy such dialogue. It seems so. But in future any postings of such a nature should be restricted to personal emails between the persons concerned. Neither I nor others have any desire to read such rubbish. The persons concerned may be more intelligent, knowledgeable and clever individuals than I, but common sense and actual actions seem to be lacking.

All this bickering does is to demoralise and de-unify the rest of us to the point that I / we feel disinclined to be associated (by common membership to DAG) with such behaviour to the point that I / we will leave.

I am especially annoyed about the destructive criticism and attacks on the ‘workers’ of DAG. Whether we agree with everything that they do or not – they are doing something! That’s more than I am or those to whom this missive is aimed at. They know who they are.

I have met Diver, Teapot and some others and have every confidence on their integrity and motivation. They, and the rest of the committee and ‘workers’, may make mistakes – who doesn’t – but at least they are doing something and not just whining. I certainly do not see Diver as anybody’s ‘lackey’ (as was stated recently). We may not agree with everything he or the committee do or say, that’s our privilege, but let the criticisms be helpful, thought provoking and not personal nor antagonistic.


Acrimony

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100% agree--don't shoot the messenger!
I am like you and will be I am sure, eternally grateful to "the few" who have done so much for the many--I think Churchill said something along those lines.
He also said " Some chicken some neck " to the Hitlerites who thought they could "screw the UK".
Well we are the same, a small group with a lot of talent, perseverence and courage and a lot to gain with a lot to lose---come on Gordon--let's go face to face hand to hand you WIMP--I have lived a long time and I would happily go 3 rounds with eyebrows--I fight dirty like him!

Ukay in Davao


Dear Sophie,Well said... I

  • mikepapa
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Dear Sophie,

Well said... I heartily second your opinion.

Mike


You need to be thick skinned

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You need to be thick skinned if you volunteer for this stuff, we're broke as well, it helps with the humility!!!!


Expat

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I am all for positive action, this is why I have been advising that the correct direction to go in is to involve the DIRECTORS legally it is they that should be carrying out this work and producing the (Diver) information for us.

What really amazes me is that you are getting sucked in by IomG. Where does my experience come from? I worked for quite some time on the SIB affair. The IomG are acting in exactly the same way here as they did then why, because they can not be innovative, they are using the SIB template. Take a look at how much investors lost through SIB.

The only people who legally can take any action and should be taking action are the board of directors. Diver should be requesting a meeting with them, all of them. He should request that the meeting is convened as a board meeting and that he and his Co are recorded as being present. Diver should then ask for them to disclose and minute their plans for the future. He should then request permission from the board to disclose this information to all investors.

You should understand that unless the company is placed in liquidation, which is unlikely as then IomG will have to risk loosing 30-40% of their banking license holders, the directors of KSF still have management and control of the company.

There are few people who have experience of this type of situation, I do. Look at the mistakes made during SIB, you are falling into exactly the same trap. Get the Directors involved.


Ramsey Peel, I have noted

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Ramsey Peel, I have noted your comments since I returned to the Forum a few days ago and am doing a bit of investigation for myself as it happens. Would you per chance be somebody I have already met? I take all comments of any seriously until they prove to be erroneous, its not as easy from Moscow as it was when I was ensconsed in the Bunker to get at a few things, but I am looking into this. I am well aware of the position thanks Ramsey and am also aware of the IoM Action Group and their attempts at the same, I will be in contact with them to see if we we have some common ground.

By the way I didn't take to well to your remarks about diver, I have after all been accused of the same thing in the past, if you want to make a point do me a favour and keep it civil, life's crap enough for many without some of the "little rays of sunshine" on this site!


Expat

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We have met.

Do me a favour, don't tell me what to write or say or how to do it. Not my problem you are all in denial, life is crap for all of us but you will need me in the future as I have the skills, knowledge contacts and information that you require, just haven't got the time or resource any more. I am not allowing any denial to creep in, that is what IomG want. Exactly their direction with SIB investors.

You also need to snap out of the self pity phase fast, listen to reality and take some firm action. I have no problem telling you what you want to hear but what is the point!

I have given you the correct direction, if you don't want to follow it, that's your problem.

Suggest that if you want the benefits of my experience in these situations and the use of my network and contacts you mail me. Don't waste my air time!


Denial

  • bobwin
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  • Tue, 13/01/2009 - 09:41

I am curious--whenever I see an individual who contradicts the majority, I listen.
Why?
Because it takes guts and knowledge to do that and not infrequently, the person is correct.
Please expound your stance in more detail and specify the questions and tactics.
I am really interested in your points and you can remain anonymous if you wish
Regards
Ukay in Davao--aka bob windley


Denial. Egypt again.

  • Captain Mainwaring
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  • Tue, 13/01/2009 - 09:53

Whilst I would agree with you on your assertion, I would also add that there is quite another type of person who will contradict the majority, but for a different reason.

That said, Ramsey is certainly an interesting chap, I don't think he has anything to gain from his comments, and I don't think there is a hidden agenda - I also feel that there is a lot of truth in his statements regarding the DAG going for the throats of the Directors.


I think we can safely assume

  • expat
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  • Fri, 09/01/2009 - 12:19

I think we can safely assume that everyone knows I am back on the Forum then!!


Ramsey Peel

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  • Fri, 09/01/2009 - 14:00

As I mentioned in another post, as you appear to be so conversant with the workings of the IOM why don't you call a meeting with the directors of KSFIOM and put your points directly to them?


Missing the point kipper

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  • Fri, 09/01/2009 - 15:38

I do not have points to put to them. Merely advising the correct process. Otherwise it will come back to bite in the future.
Besides, I can not afford to loose my anonimity.

Think Expat knows why.


I told him that..

  • hippychickrobbed
  • 03/11/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 09/01/2009 - 14:38

I told him that too, if he has the contacts get on with it, arrange the meetings.We have enough misery as it is...instead of reading that we are going to get stuffed more than we will.


Time to do something constructive!

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  • Thu, 08/01/2009 - 18:44

I just spotted this in The Times, maybe people could vent their anger/frustrations here on the blog section. Anatole Kaletsky is usually well read so we might get noticed!!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/art...

There's also news that Alistair Darlings latest stroke of economic genius is to actually print more money. Sounds like a plan as long as he passes straight back to the IoM!


site changes

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  • Thu, 08/01/2009 - 15:09

When the site changed and seperated out the forums I noticed the start in fall of traffic. I think it was better when the main aim was to keep people in touch with one another. I know everyone wanted the latest news, but communication between memebers is what kept the site going.

Has anyone got their 1000 GBP yet?


Hello I am here, I'm in

  • expat
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Hello I am here, I'm in Moscow as it happens. I am trying to post what sense I can from here! Afraid it's been a bit difficult here with the kids health since I got back, hence the silence. I am however in touch with the IoM Team, and diver and I exchanged a few points over xmas.

I am going to say now I am very sad to see that so much has degenerated into bickering and I am particularly incensed by the attacks on people who are doing their damndest to do something.

Why have others gone quiet? Now there is a little saga, a piece of which you sadly watched yesterday!! But rest assured there are quite a few of us keeping in touch out of harms way and doing things that we hope will benefit ALL.