What Happened To Positive Action?

  • expatsa
  • 14/10/08 31/05/09
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Posted: Mon, 05/01/2009 - 15:20

Firstly, I must express surprise at seeing my original posting of December 2nd reappearing in the active forum. In reply to dunsavin, I rarely bother to visit the KSFIoM DAG website now. For many people it has become a comfort zone where they can read about other depositors who have lost far more money than they have and so feel more comfortable about their own loss. For others, they have become comfortable seeing that other people are taking action on their behalf and so "can take a back seat" and hide behind their pseudomyms. And there are still others who are simply comfortable arguing the toss in the various forums, in this way they can vent their anger and frustration. In the end this website has promoted as much inactivity as it has activity. I do not wish to denigrate what the London based and I o M based groups have done and I appreciate that they have done a lot and hopefully there will be a beneficial result for all of us. But at the same time I strongly believe we should have had a concurrent "in your face" campaign aimed at embarrassing HMG and the IoM gov't. A campaign which would guarantee media attention and force the IoM to quickly and seriously resolve the KSF IoM situation or lose any credibility as a financial centre. The endless emails that I and others have sent have achieved little in grabbing the media's attention. - so little in fact that Darling was able to give a Panorama interview a couple of weeks ago about how he managed to save the UK banking system!! I was so angered I couldn't watch more than 5 minutes.
My call to action at the beginning of December and that of a few others since then has received a very lukewarm response. There are too many voices of reason like Lucky Jim, who argues against "half cock demonstrations undertaken in the hope that the nation will rise up in fury in support of DAG."
It is easy for Lucky Jim to say this because, if I remember correctly he managed to get his money out before the bank collapsed and so stands to lose nothing. - please correct me, Lucky Jim, if I am wrong.
There are few others countries in the world where depositors who have had their life savings stolen would react with such calm and reasonableness. In my part of the world they would be rioting. A curse on the stiff British upper lip which allows us to react with such calm and understanding in the face of adversity.
Unfortunately I live in Chile, do not have the finances to return to England and "take up arms". But I promise you I would if I could. Even if it was just "me and the wife", carrying the banner to 10,Downing Street or to the Tynwold, or throwing shoes at Messrs Brown and Darling. My advice to dunsavin, lorraine, relentlessposse, sami, poppy two, maco, algarvin and the few others who have the courage to take positive action and have not been lulled into inactivity by the DAG website and the many voices of "reason", is for one of you or a group of you to organise a demonstration or other "in your face" action, advertise it on the website for any who might have the energy or courage to join you, make sure the media cover it, AND DO IT! So what, if there are only 10 or 20 of you? Once the ball is rolling it will gather momentum and, hopefully, more and more depositors will join positve action. And if not at least you gave it a go! Good Luck!

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In my part of the world

  • expat
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 06/01/2009 - 11:30

In my part of the world they'd probably shoot all concerned! Whilst I can't comment on a demo, I am to far away to attend anyway, I do believe that as much fuss as possible should be created to embarrass HMG. For your info I can assure that having done about 4 tv spots, a Mail on Sunday photo shoot and lord knows how many other press interviews (in fact I just found a BBC one when I criticised Darling, I didn't even know that got published!), I can assure you that getting press attention and getting your message through is very hard indeed, but e all need to keep doing it. At some point somebody somewhere is going to grasp the HMG smokescreen over all this.

I for one am heartily sick of the fatuous remarks about 'protecting savers" etc from Brown and Darling whilst they hang us out to dry on a legal technicality. So please keep up the emailing etc it does at some point have an effect.


this is too easy for them..

  • hippychickrobbed
  • 03/11/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 06/01/2009 - 17:57

Oh yes definitely in italy and greece the mafia and the people would have shot them down and in moscow where my father has been an expat since peristroika well wont go into it. I beleive in
1,a sir max clifford campaign, he likes cases like this
2. a permanent website about offshore banking isle of man look what will happen to you if you bank here on this island, we have been too easy .


I live in m Moscow and have

  • expat
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 06/01/2009 - 18:03

I live in m Moscow and have done for ten years. AS to the IoM the only obligation they have is to pay out compensation, they have pretty much the same terms as anywhere else, In Germany for instance the depositors who lost got no assistance. Before Gordon Brown started taking out Icelandic banks the UK compensation scheme was 35,000. Gurnsey has no compensation scheme at all. As to banking reputation I think you'll find that the general consensus is that the IoM has already ridden out the KSF storm and has retained its high rating as an offshore banking centre.


IOM

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  • Fri, 09/01/2009 - 18:38

I agree that IOM's reputation isn't exactly in tatters but the main reason for that is that in the publicity which we have garnered we've aimed our fire at Iceland and HMG not at the IOM because we still believed it was in their interest to help us and therefore we didn't want to cause undue offence.

Maybe it's time to change this and if their reputation is questioned loudly then perhaps they'll find a better way to sort this out for us?


oh come on

  • hippychickrobbed
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Oh come on, if I knew someone who had banked there and this had happened to them i would nt even think of placing one penny there.,it as a place not capable of looking after its depositors. They should have protected their depositors long before this, they knew the icelandic problems. They took my deposit one day before collapse .and ruined me. A high rating offshore banking is a safe one, they should have nationalised it when they could. i dont know protected us look at the misery they have caused, their fsc was not on guard. The way they handled this was wrong


this is too easy for them..

  • hippychickrobbed
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Oh yes definitely in italy and greece the mafia and the people would have shot them down and in moscow where my father has been an expat since peristroika well wont go into it. I beleive in
1,a sir max clifford campaign, he likes cases like this
2. a permanent website about offshore banking isle of man look what will happen to you if you bank here on this island, we have been too easy .


Visit from Russia?

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  • 14/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 09/01/2009 - 18:46

HCR
strong rumours are that there was a substantial amount of russian £ in the bank and the IomG and regulators are due a visit any day now. Maybe you should dial them in to your father for advice.


this is too easy for them..

  • hippychickrobbed
  • 03/11/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 06/01/2009 - 17:57

Oh yes definitely in italy and greece the mafia and the people would have shot them down and in moscow where my father has been an expat since peristroika well wont go into it. I beleive in
1,a sir max clifford campaign, he likes cases like this
2. a permanent website about offshore banking isle of man look what will happen to you if you bank here on this island, we have been too easy .


HMG

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  • Tue, 06/01/2009 - 17:39

Brown and Darling make me cringe whenever I see or hear them. It galls me that it seems that none of the MPs that have writen to them have ever received a reply. This lack of response is more akin to a dictatorial government and obviously not answerable to its people or even its MPs! How they can avoid it is disgusting and undemocratic.

Also disapponted that the Tories have failed to press this.

However I think that we all need to keep up the pressure to take down the HMG smokescreen and make them answerable for their actions which is the root cause of our problem. It seems that they are under pressure from other quarters as the church leaders are also saying that they are no longer a moral government. The more pressure the better.


Why can't we get a warrent for Mr.Darlings arrest for theft

  • fight theft
  • 10/10/08 28/05/13
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1.) I'm not joking this is the best public smokscreeen smashing possible. No more British correctness or stiff upper lip. We wouldn't be treated worse by mafia or dictaorship leadreship. So why should we treat them any better?

When I think of that MP David Green who was arrested month or so ago for" leaking out info that a few illegal immigrants were working as cleaners in government buildings", well that was childs play by comparison.
Please can we legally have Chancellor Nobody's Darling arrested for theft. You may think I'm joking but I am serious is this a possibility as he has committed a much bigger crime (theft of 557 million) than MP Green. If is this is a possibility this may be just the big jolt of fear he needs to release and return our funds. It's a Darlingate case I think.

  1. ) Have we approached or lodged our case with the Court of Human Rights?

  2. ) Why can one government and treasury IOM versus another government and treasury UK not pull more weight and power no more be so "cap in hand" inferior? Why can they not have Nobody's Darling arrested?
    I am not being frivolous or crazy don't we have to fight by desperate not diplomatic means with the UK now and only save diplomacy but a very firm hand with the IOM now.

With no response from the UK I think we must play very hardball now as our Jan 29th deadline is looming close, and hopefully I have missed something but I cannot see any progress especially awful news that 5 or 6 potential buyers of the bank have had to pull out due to the funds not returned therefore no tangible asset value to potential sale.

I am in London now and was abroad since this evil broke. I would appreciate being more involved and if any UK members have meetings or other petitions to take to No 10 and 11 let me know.

I hope there is better progress coming our way soon before we lose too much more money in lost interest lawyers and liquidators, and and I have to wish us all good luck with everything.

PS My rant and upset: I don't know about the rest of you but I simply cannot live in the UK anymore under the power (?) of thieves who have stolen my life savings.They've made us feel like fugitives who cannot rest in our own home or in our own country in which I was born. I feel nothing but contempt for these inhuman bastards if they don't return our funds 100%.and now have huge disrespect for them evn if they do after whet they have put us through. Would we choose to live under a tyrant or under Mugabe rule for instance? At the moment we are treated with less regard than a terrorist or Icelander etc etc....we are a the bottom of the totem pole and I am feeling so angry now that it is turning into hate for HMG and HMT and the UK in general - hence the fugitive feeling, but we're stuck here with our lives on hold with no security or direction for our present or future thanks to these bastards. These comments come from a formerly successful career person who has lost 27 years worth of my life savings and my late husbands peak of career ( I had to wind my career down due to his Luekemia) and my parents inhertance and future pension. All my friends couldnt beleive how well I'd survived through these years - it was being mortgage free careful spending and investing and now 27 years of all that gone within only one month of puting my savings into the wretched KIOM Bank
God protect and bless us all from this evil.


how do you get a warrant?

  • hippychickrobbed
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  • Thu, 08/01/2009 - 06:13

how do you get a warrant for him then and a prison sentence?


GOOD EVENING EXPAT

  • mikepapa
  • 10/10/08 n/a (free)
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  • Tue, 06/01/2009 - 16:20

Dear Expat,

Long time no see...... welcome back..... :-)

A Very Happy Russian Christmas to you and yours for tommorrow!!

Mike


Hello Mike, I've been trying

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  • Tue, 06/01/2009 - 17:48

Hello Mike, I've been trying to have a normal family life again! Been keeping an eye on the some of the posts, getting pretty fractious isn't it!! Its -15C and a bit chilly, hows the seafaring? Yes Tomorrow we have to go through the Russian Xmas and more kids!

Steve
now got to get the little one to bed and wait for Ded Moroz to arrive!!