VERY IMPORTANT UPDATE - PLEASE READ

  • Diver
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DAG Representative Committee

In his correspondence of November 19th to other parties involved in this debacle (in particular Cains and Gough & Co.), John Wright, the DAG Advocate in the Isle of Man, requested an informal committee of creditors be assembled with the objective of liaising directly with PWC and the IOM Government with regard to proposals and strategies for KSFIOM. As a result of this and the immense efforts of depositors this request has been granted.

As you all know, Alix & Partners were appointed by the IoM government to identify and develop restructuring plans for the bank as well as to carry out due diligence on the assets of KSFIOM to identify their liquidity and current market value. Over the past few weeks they have been working alongside the IoM Treasury and exploring a number of options for our bank. John Spellman, Director of the Financial Services Division for the IoM Treasury has been in discussions with a number of depositor representatives over the past weeks and has agreed to the formation of a committee of depositors which the IOM Government will use as a sounding board for all proposals for the future of the bank and our deposits.

The committee has been carefully put together to represent the demographics of the DAG as best as possible and includes the following members:

Higher Value Depositors: DaveBraddan, Ally and Diver
Core Depositors (under 50k): Willumcat and Emabroad
Small Business: Nixi
Bonds/Investments: Teapot
In-Transit Funds: Sleeplessnight

In the next week this committee will receive a selection of proposals for the future of KSFIOM and a conference call will take place to discuss this information. In the court hearings on the 14th and 29th of January, the IoM government will outline all these proposals and announce which have been rejected and which are being looked into further based on the responses of the committee.

It is important to note that the committee WILL NOT HAVE AUTHORITY to make a final decision on the fate of the bank on behalf of all depositors. When a solution has been devised that the committee believes is in the best interests of ALL (and there will have to be compromises on all sides), it will be put to a vote of ALL depositors with the results of this vote being presented to the court. Only then will the court make a decision on whether or not to proceed with the suggested plan.

Due to the commercial sensitivity of the discussions the committee will be having with the IoM Government, there will be some things which cannot be broadcast to the DAG as a whole. The committee will, of course, report back with as much information as possible, but would ask for the DAG’s trust and support to pursue the objective of the return of 100% of depositors’ money.

Further Strategy & Actions

As always our objective is to recover 100% of our money at the earliest opportunity, recognising hardship and long term difficulties that arise from our varied situations. At present our strategies are as follows:

• the unofficial committee will receive and review the proposals of IOMG
• formalizing the DAG - a constitution is currently being drafted and is nearly complete and will be uploaded for consultation
• continue to explore legal avenues and to continue investigating the culpability of various parties in our situation with the aim of seeking recompense where appropriate
• ongoing press releases based on developments and human stories - these are uploaded to the public site and an explanation of distribution can be found there
• building on existing political network of sympathetic and active MP's and representatives
• lobbying of UK MP's to push HMG to act decently with regard to: it's actions to date, clause 27 si2674, representation for IOM to Iceland and the recompense of the depositors of KSFIOM
• lobbying Iceland to honour the parental guarantee given to us by KHf.

This is a very significant step for all of us and it brings us closer to understanding our situation and what is being done to achieve the best possible outcome for all.

I think it is important to recognise EVERYBODY’s efforts in bringing about this progress as you’ve all contributed to this in one way or another. By supporting the legal routes both in the UK and the IoM and by keeping up the pressure on politicians on all sides of this mess we have now achieved one of our major goals in getting a serious official dialogue going with the IoM authorities.

It should be noted that special thanks for getting all of this sorted out should go to Sleepless, Dave, Teapot & Ally who have worked tirelessly behind he scenes to help make all this happen. Sorry if I've missed anyone out but if I have...thank you too!

Thank you all for all your magnificent efforts and your support and understanding over the past months. I hope that this news brings a little bit of cheer to an otherwise sombre holiday season. Please try to have as merry a Christmas as possible and let’s hope the New Year brings us all much happier times.

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sealed papers

  • hippychickrobbed
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The answer Kenman will be in the sealed papers which apparently are not in our intrest to open. Lets see Alix partners were not brought in for a holiday on the isle of man were they? also do you see us going away as an action group, nor are we, going to ,its called we will haunt you till this is sorted out. Alot of lives have been turned into grief because of this, one carries on lobbying and campaigning..


Beware all claims?

  • wipeout
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  • Mon, 29/12/2008 - 14:35

Ramsey Peel,

Where did you get this thinking from?

I, probably like everybody else, have nothing to hide and nothing to fear from any taxation authority. I already gave approval for information on my accounts to be made available to the UK tax authorities anyway. This was done when I opened them - so where is the problem?

Do you think that we will not have to give out any information at the end of this sorry mess? Surely a claim will have to be made to eventually recover the full balance of our savings and the same or similar information will be required at this time.


I get this thinking from

  • user1123
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I get this thinking from dealing with tax authorities internationally on a regular basis. If you have nothing to hide then no problem, but are you sure that you have not missed anything on any declaration you have made in the past? You should look at the definition and case law on tax evasion and other.

Claim to recover the full balance! Dream on wipeout. Have already flagged the site that the max was 67p before Xmas reducing to 61p in New Year as the consultants are contracted over the period for not even turning up. What will it be by January 29?

Diver and his cohort should ask the right questions as it appears even they are in denial and being palmed off by IOMG.

Wake up and smell the coffee.


Claim

  • richiyeh
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  • Mon, 29/12/2008 - 18:59

Well, if the payout's reducing that fast it seems like a good idea to grab the 1000 while it's on offer. Personally I intend to - it's my money not a gift, and I haven't seen any good reason posted not to claim it.


Yet Another Altruist?

  • gerry paul johnson
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  • Mon, 29/12/2008 - 16:05

I note that you have chosen not declare whether or not you are a depositor. What, then, may I respectfuly enquire, are your motives in making a posting such as this?
Would it not be even more helpful to contribute "positively" on this forum, since we have all spent many weeks now convincing the outside world that we ARE NOT tax dodgers, (although we cannot, of course, make that claim for ALL who visit the site).
Knowing what not to do is not the same as knowing exactly what to do, and finding fault remains the easiest job in the world.


The question is

  • hippychickrobbed
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The question is can this bank float again without any funds coming back from the ksfuk? or not? I wasnt aware that liquidity in a bank can be just 27 percent is that correct?


please then make iom core aware

  • hippychickrobbed
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  • Mon, 29/12/2008 - 15:53

Then Ramsey peel make the IOM core aware what your feelings are over this? if they are just vulturing over this then let us make them aware what they are doing. you must have inside information to bring news like this.


Inclined to favour IOMG's actions

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I'm inclined to take a more favourable view of IOMG actions at the moment, especially since Diver's recent posting. In fact, I had wondered if the 1000 pounds limit on the hardship grant was due the IOMG not wanting to depart with too much from the DCS fund, or clawed-back assets of KSF IoM (wherever these hardship funds will come from), in view of a possible, maybe now even likely, re-structuring or sale of the bank, where all existing assets and other financial support will count.

I haven't received the form from LP yet, but I think we have to place some trust in this process with IoM, otherwise we are back to square one.

I agree with one point in Ramsey Peel's comment, however, albeit only implied, and that is that things are not going to be the same for any of us again. This will be neither in terms of how and where we bank, how we handle and view our money, nor personally.


uk is broke

  • hippychickrobbed
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oh yes, thats because the uk is broke now with their trillion debt and will now pick on offshore banking. It still is in the ioms intrest to very much save this bank. If this doesnt happen and the bank goes into dreaded liquidation which we will not allow then the uk will advertise it as a beware do not put your money there. A hazard zone for savings.


Nothing to hide

  • bellyup
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  • Mon, 29/12/2008 - 11:41

If you have nothing to hide what does it matter?
Most of us are on their radar screen anyway.
I think the 1k was just a sop to the IOM residents they cant really pay back the Manx people without paying everyone hence the same small payment.


It's not a question of having

  • Captain Mainwaring
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  • Mon, 29/12/2008 - 12:50

It's not a question of having anything to hide, it is a right not to disclose information unnecessarily.


inland revenue owe us

  • hippychickrobbed
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  • Mon, 29/12/2008 - 12:01

The inland revenue owe us not going into it full stop. This is a hardship payment, ,. I mean there are cases here where depositors have been left homeless, there are some human rights issues here, this isnt enough actually as you know. Ik is nothing to what we are going through., the mental anguish is enough. You know my father said they are very lucky this hasnt happened in greece, and italy because they wouldnt have seen the day to even mention the word provisional liquidation. , people would want to see their money asap. Unfortunately they know we are all scattered, still we have a powerful voice to keep on going.


scaremongering

  • hippychickrobbed
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  • Mon, 29/12/2008 - 11:16

This payment was called a hardship payment and I am sure this is not the case. There are people who are involved here that cant pay their utility bills. I think we have been victimised enough dont you think?


BEWARE

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  • Mon, 29/12/2008 - 12:19

I DO think that we have been victimised enough but does HMRC care, don't think so.

Do the Directors (John Alfred CASHEN, Donald James GELLING, Aidan Andrew DOHERTY, Andrew John DAVIES) of KSF care, don't think so, otherwise we would have heard from them. Not one communication.

Do the Iom FSC (John ASPDEN, Michael WELDON, Andrew KERMODE) care, dont think so, any communication, no.

Wish we were in Greece or Italy.


then we care about ourselves

  • hippychickrobbed
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  • Mon, 29/12/2008 - 13:11

Then we keep writing to them, people have consciences you know. what can they write, what can a guilty person write to people who have lost everything?. I think cottesmore has the email addresses of these so called people, tell them what kind of christmas you had ., They are morally responsible for all of this mess they have put us in
someone can put in all their email addresses and we should all write what ongoing grief this is, . Cottesmore I think has all their email addresses
john [dot] aspen(?)fsc [dot] gov [dot] im
John cashen director of ksf um fsc(?)gov [dot] im thats who i wrote to and I will write again even if i dont get a reply, so please just write to them tell them what you are going through .


Thank you all-

  • SusanfromBC
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  • Sun, 28/12/2008 - 18:30

Diver, Sleepless, Dave, Teapot, Ally and everyone who has played a part in this! I am very grateful for your efforts.

Here's wishing a very positive New Year to all of us!


DAG Representative committe

  • Kansas
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  • Sun, 28/12/2008 - 18:04

I would also like to add my heartfelt thanks to Diver and co for all their hard work. This definitely seems a positive step in the right direction and thank you for your thoughtfulness in posting on Christmas Day to try and make it a little better for all of us.


DAG Representative Committee

  • dodot
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  • Sun, 28/12/2008 - 14:30

I am very content with your proposal and thank you for your efforts.


Ditto

  • SgKZ
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  • Sun, 28/12/2008 - 17:15

Again, a very positive step forward. Well done to all who had a hand in bringing this about.

I'm in for a relatively small amount and would be covered under the compensation scheme but I would like to pursue all courses of action that would help those with much larger sums recover all of their money. If this meant my savings being tied up for a period of time in a re-floated bank then so be it. If it was sufficiently guarenteed, I would even go back to paying money into it regularly.

SG


general feeling

  • hippychickrobbed
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I feel this is the general feeling in all of this because of how long the comp scheme would take to kick in for smaller depositors. I ve written to mark oaten the mp and he too is tabling some questions to the chancellor which he is has to legally answer. I think everyone we have to keep the pressure up ....


Very Important Update

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  • Mon, 29/12/2008 - 03:19

My husband and I are in Cairo visiting family and it is lovely to hear this very good news this morning. We have very limited access to check the website and are happy to pursue all paths for everyone to receive their funds back . Thank you everyone for all your effort and hard work. God Bless


DAG Rep Committee

  • grobbers
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  • Sun, 28/12/2008 - 13:24

Diver & Co,

Once again, many thanks for all your tireless and splendid efforts.

If the Nationalisation route was followed I would also be willing to commit my funds in order to achieve the best possible outcome for us all.

Keep up the good work.


echo the above

  • insameboat
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  • Sun, 28/12/2008 - 13:43

I echo the above.

Thanks to all!


I would also like to add a

  • shellshocked
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  • Sun, 28/12/2008 - 13:21

I would also like to add a humble thank you to Diver and co for all their hard work and achievements to date. I'm afraid I feel a bit useless and swamped by all this and often struggle to absorb all that is posted but am nevertheless extremely grateful for this site and everyone's efforts.


Ex Derbyshire

  • nivit
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  • Sun, 28/12/2008 - 11:26

The ex-Derbyshire depositors have not been offered representation why not? When KSF IoM was put into liquidation provisional the number ex-Derbyshire depositors stood at around 3000 which makes them by far the largest single group numerically and probably by value.


Ex Derb Offshore, and <£50k

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  • Sun, 28/12/2008 - 13:57

As a "fairly active" (58%) independent depositor I am extremely grateful for the websites and the opportunity to 'pull together' (although I always thought that Bond Holders were in a very different position having their Insurance Companies and IFAs to look to for redress).

Similarly I am extremely grateful to all those who emerged as core-people etc and their massive input.

I am both ex-DerbOff and <£50k, and had hoped that if the opportunity arose for a review of core-people and communications that ex-DerbOff would get a prominent seat and that <£50k (perhaps three quarters {?} of all individual depositors) would get a bit more representation (and a bit less of the taunting that they get on this chatline !).

Guess you can't please everyone.

Hope January proves a better month for EVERYBODY than the last three.


Ex-Derbyshire

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I am on the committee and I am ex Derbyshire. Although not below £50k I am not one of the depoistors with hundreds of thousands on deposit.


Are We <50K Derbyshire Bumpkins Better Placed?

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Well, I suppose the reason we <50K Derbyshire Offshore Bumpkins, Oafs, Yokels and Serfs are not deemed Top Table material is because we have less to lose. Either way under the DCS or a bank restructuring we will get paid in full -- the outstanding question remains interest payable (5.5-6.5 percent on the relevant accounts) which I will accept humbly. For the poor sods who find their life savings in limbo, the stakes are much higher, so we need to be patient and allow all avenues to be explored, although I'm fed up with gruel for breakfast, lunch and dinner!


Thanks Diver et al..

  • Julienne
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  • Sun, 28/12/2008 - 09:58

My thanks to Diver and everyone on the new committee, this is the best news I have had all the "holiday season" and a very important step forward in our recognition. You as a group seem to be a good representation of the DAG as a whole - you have my full and unwavering support. I know you will be working to obtain the best result possible for everyone. I have to agree with a posting further down that whether the deposit is ,<50k or >50K it doesn't matter - activating the compensation scheme should be the LAST RESORT as it will take years to pay out anything.
Personally I am happy to leave the majority of our funds in a restructured - nationalised bank - with security ( if there can be such a thing after what has happened) in order for it to recover and re gain credence. This could be for 3, 4 or 5 years.

A Happier New Year to everyone in this group. Lets positively step into 2009.


Thanks and explore nationalisation?

  • adambw
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  • Sat, 27/12/2008 - 08:43

Diver and Co. enormous thanks. The following is a post I have just made under 'nationalisation' which I would like you/IoM and lawyers to consider - thanks.

If we jointly propose/support/accept nationalisation perhaps this could be the closest we can get to a win/win for both us and IoM. Even prior to the collapse I had been keen to withdraw 100% of my ex-Derbyshire Manx Bond on maturity on 30/11/08. But now I think if I were offered a ’true guarantee’ (is there such a thing?) for my funds, plus a truly competitive interest rate, then I would be prepared to help the ‘NEWCO Bank’ by committing to leave my funds on deposit for one, two, or even three years. This would give the new bank time to recover assets and minimise any initial hard cash borrowings.

I realise that the personal circumstances and views of many depositors will differ widely from mine.


friends provident bond

  • hippychickrobbed
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You probably have bond charges like us , added nightmare which should be waived. On answering your email we too would leave our funds, just to secure our capital with an isle of man guarantee. Its the only way to see probably the most of our capital back in my eyes, . We would leave it for 5yrs with little intrest just to secure it, . we all have to compromise and pull together i think, ,and carry on pushing for the nationalisation. Dont you think just writing about nationalisation already makes one think that the light is at the end of the tunnel, to come out of this horrible mess we have been put in. lets stick together.


Thanks

  • tonycBrisbaneOz
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Thanks to everyone. I feel a little more hopeful about next year.

Regards, TonyC


DAG ctte press release

  • AJM UAE
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Hi Diver et al.

As I said earlier this is great news. Are you planning on a press release about this latest development? We should certainly let people know what sheer persistence can achieve.


We're behind you all the way

  • rapata
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  • Fri, 26/12/2008 - 20:17

We would just like to say a huge thank you to everyone involved in this great step forward. You have our full support.


Great news

  • grandmaparis
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  • Fri, 26/12/2008 - 14:58

I've just logged on and discovered the great news. At last all the efforts of the DAG - and in particular of the core members - are bearing fruit. Special thanks to Diver, Expat, ng, Dave Braddan, and all the other movers and shakers. I think the group is very lucky to have a natural leader of the calibre of Diver. WELL DONE ALL!


You guys and gals are simply

  • go mann
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  • Fri, 26/12/2008 - 14:04

You guys and gals are simply amazing!

My sincere thanks for all you have done, and are still doing.


Diver and Team

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On behalf of myself and jmf I'd like to say how impressed and grateful we are with the team's work in getting a step further in the fight to have our savings restored. It's great news and tremendously appreciated. Best wishes to you all for the coming year. We are really behind you.


New initiative

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I would like to add my thanks to all those who have been so actively involved in this group, from setting up the website to the latest initiative. This does seem like a positive move. The information coming through this forum have been a lifesaver for myself and so many others.

Thank you again and best wishes for New Year - heartfelt wishes for a better year for all in 2009.


Diver, Ths is really

  • Stunned Mullet
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Diver,

Ths is really encouraging news and represents a significant step forward in the formal recognition of the DAG. Thank you and the team for a solid result and the continuing hard work you all do on our collective behalf.


Thanks Core Team

  • chb
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We thank the Core Team for their hard work and leadership. We are totally supportive of your efforts. Looking forward to saying goodbye to 2008 and heading into 2009 with increasing determination. Best wishes to all of us here bound together by this devastating event. Let us be hopeful and strong.


Thanks Diver and Core Team

  • hopeful
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All I can say is thanks a million for all your hard work and I wish all us the very best of luck in 2009.


Thanks Diver and all core teams

  • shafted
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Thankyou to everyone who is putting so much effort into our cause you have my full support, lets hope we can have a better 2009.


Thank you Diver

  • bellyup
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  • Fri, 26/12/2008 - 10:03

This is very welcome news
Thank you Diver and all the committee for your efforts.
A Belated Happy Christmas to you all.


BRILLIANT

  • Lucky Jim
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Yes,.... BRILLIANT! Clearly Diver has assumed a leadership role and has raised a new banner under which DAG may regroup & march into the New Year with new clarity & confidence
I am sure this will be the best news from within & on behalf of DAG to take us forward into 2009.


new year new start

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agreed


Awesome achievement

  • follow_the_tao
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It is patently obvious that an impressively effective effort has gone into Divers (et al) 's result here.

From the information I can see I consider him to be acting in my best interests. I thus feel comfortable 'voting' enthusiastically in favour of his proposals.

My warm thanks to this core team.

A separate point:
Elgee is clearly very upset about something, or rather several things.
A lot of us are very upset as well.
We are a small group in a very difficult situation. If we can hold a common line it will assist 'our voice' and members on the committee.
As this is an open forum (and I hope it stays open) Elgee can elaborate on his concerns with us as an audience. I would like to understand what his concerns are as I have no doubt that if they are well founded they will be shared by others. However to date, whilst I can see his anger, I cannot clearly see his point.

Perhaps you could state your worries more clearly Elgee and give us a chance to comment on them?


tks guys

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diver and the wonderful guys that are taking the lead here - many many thanks for yoiur hard work - you are giving us hope. if there is anything i can do, please let me know. we are very grateful - cheers and enjoy the rest of your christmas - worried jules


await for next orders

  • hippychickrobbed
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I dont know about you but we are all here ready for the next tasks/.orders fellow troops...


A Belated Merry Christmas

  • howagcr
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Diver,
this is indeed great news. Thank you and everybody else involved for the hard work and efforts. Today is the first time I can get up from bed. This and your report is a sign that things now seem to go upwards. For a long time, we had not much good news, but this - I believe - put everyone in a positive mood. I wish you and every KSFIoM fellow sufferer a Happy 2009.
howag


DAG committee

  • AJM UAE
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Just wanted to echo what many others have said - thanks!!!

This is great news as it gives us a voice in what will be decided. It is all too easy for governments and large organisations to ignore a seemingly disparate group of people who are linked by a website. To have a small, well-informed group 'on the ground' that represents us is a major step forwards.

Very best wishes to all.