Then and now

  • Wanda
  • 12/10/08 31/08/09
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Posted: Tue, 25/08/2009 - 12:35

From the latest postings, it seems that we are not shouting loud enough to be heard by the masses and are in danger of sinking without trace, despite all of our best efforts to date.

Therefore, my idea is to re-tell our stories from a "then and now" perspective. How our lives were, prior to that fateful day in October 2008, and how they are now. I think people will be shocked at how thousands of lives can be transformed, literally overnight, by the actions of a few greedy individuals. By bringing our updated stories into the picture, it must surely arouse sufficient outrage to breathe new life into our campaign?

For my part, I KNOW no-one could make up the script, without it being dismissed as exaggeration!

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Stories about then and now

  • conned
  • 13/10/08 n/a (free)
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  • Tue, 25/08/2009 - 14:29

Wanda, I can only tell you my own experience. I get many rude insulting and downright vulgar comments about my videos. Horrible people make comments about a luxury lifestyle, which I don't have but they resent anything that looks comfortable. They use any excuse to make you look like a wealthy tax dodger and if they can't find an excuse they will make it up. So, comparing your life now, to your life then, will give them a lot of amunition. There are nasty people out there.


@ Wanda - good idea !

  • Lucky Jim
  • 13/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 25/08/2009 - 14:01

On the 'letters' page of the complementary website there is precisely this opportunity for members to do just what you have suggested.

Despite the fact that many members here have migrated to www.kuupthingiom-dag.co.uk for all the basic information they seek (ie: they neither want to post here nor wade through this site to get the info' they need), this ''your letters' facility has not been used as effectively as it might to both tell the public & to enable DST to make use of it in the campaign.

Relatively few people visit the Chat Forum anymore. There is a new DAG public site with a members only forum soon to be online. The site is being designed to enable registration of only known bona fide particpants. In this way DST and members will be free to share more closely in a two way process the DAG's strategy & tactics.

It is my sincere hope that this new developemnt will provide a fresh impetus whereby everyone is freshly motivated to make a proactive contribution to the DAG's campaign to bring about a political solution. That solution simply will not happen unless everyone takes up arms in the fight for justice.

We MUST get that political decision at the earliest opportunity because we are reliably informed that if this drags out for 5 years members will see nothing like 80% of the assets restored to them, & probably less than even 70%. There's never been a liquidation where liquidators, lawyers & courts haven't taken in costs a huge slice of the assets.

W are in this to win because right is might, & the sooner the IoM government wakes up to the fact that we are not going to give in the sooner it will do the right thing by coming into line with the UK & the rest of Europe.


But how many people see the site?

  • lorraine
  • 14/10/08 14/07/10
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  • Tue, 25/08/2009 - 14:16

Mostly its the registered losers, the general public don't know it exists. We have to take the stories to them not expect them to come and look.

What's this about a new site? I have never heard about kuupthingiom-dag and it doesn't seem to exist either. What's the point of us posting here if people are only looking elsewhere? No point preaching to the converted.


@ lorraine -- this is not news !

  • Lucky Jim
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  • Tue, 25/08/2009 - 14:48

Hi Lorraine,
1. the news about the pending new site was posted by DST 17/8 on the site Banner HERE
2. the complementary website www.kaupthingiom-dag.co.uk was set up at the request of 72% of the members voting on a poll on this Forum.

The site has had over 6,195 hits to date, divided roughly between 4000 DAG members & 2000 of the general public visiting it.

My blog www.ksfiom-blog.blogspot.com is at the top of Google for 'bank on the Isle of Man blog'.

This gives the DAG high profile and is getting right up the nose of the IoM government


I guess I missed it. have been working too hard recently.

  • lorraine
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  • Tue, 25/08/2009 - 16:06

So we really need to get the twitter message across on that site if people are visiting that instead of this, how do we do that, I can't see anywhere to post?


@ lorraine -- getting the message across via Twitter

  • Lucky Jim
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  • Tue, 25/08/2009 - 18:31

We get the messge across via Twitter by linking a tweet to a relevant URL that supports our case.

Thus I suggest for starters we use:
http://www.kaupthingiom-dag.co.uk
http://www.ksfiomdepositors.or
http://www.ksfiom-blog.blogspot.com (or links to topics therein)

Use URLs to anything on other online sites, newspapers, blogs, youtube, Facebook, etc, that relate to a tweet

See my tip in the blog on this Chat site for reducing long URLs for tweet posts
(eg: the URL for ALL the youtube videos is long, but can be reduced by following the tip)

Hope this is helpful (:


LJ

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  • Tue, 25/08/2009 - 19:02

not just 'relevant'. You never know where you will find relevant. There is a case for selective following on twitter but it's also valid to go for big numbers - the more followers you have the more people potentially see your tweets and who knows who is relevant.

Is the politician more relevant than the person who votes for them?

I believe we need to alert the general public to this catastrophe. People power will activate politicians much faster than we few can.


@ lorraine -- give them a tasty carrot!

  • Lucky Jim
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  • Tue, 25/08/2009 - 20:07

Twitter is now used mainly by individuals & organisations & businesses, & a few MP's No.10, cabinet office, MoJ etc..- to post a 'carrot' tweet to get the reader to click on the URL which links to the 'fruit basket'.

For example, shortly I will be doing a Tweet in support of Nixi on the Trafalgar Square plinth on 12 September. It will be something like:

"Dispossessed depositor to sing on Trafalgar plinth DON'T BANK ON THE ISLE OF MAN http://www.kaupthingiom-dag.co.uk/nixi.htm

The URL will link to a page on the complementary website where there will be 'his story' and his song played automatically.

PS: don't try the link yet because the page hasn't been set up!

Yes, you can use Twitter to barrage a large number of people indiscriminately, but personally I feel it is better to be more selective and aim for people & organsiations that we want to target. (eg: finncial advisers, No.10, MoJ, HM Treasury, Isle of Man, MP's, White House, Obama, financial journalists, OECDtweet, etc..)

It is time consuming searching for 'targets' but I am getting feedback from people who visit the complementary website via my tweets & mail me. A few have already closed accounts on the IoM.


Is the politician more revelant?

  • bellyup
  • 10/10/08 09/01/10
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  • Tue, 25/08/2009 - 19:52

Probably yes in this case!

These are people who can do some things IF they and their masters want to.

As in the case of Neil Turner and Dave Whelan.


Why?

  • lorraine
  • 14/10/08 14/07/10
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  • Tue, 25/08/2009 - 20:15

Sorry, Belly Up, I can't agree. I'm not suggesting for a moment that it's not worth writing to MPs etc. but the power of social media is that our actions can be multiplied many thousands of times.

Of course it's the politicians who can solve our problem but why should they bother? The only way to really make them take action is by public pressure. Most of the stuff we've done up to now is behind closed doors - we write to them, who sees the letters? We try to take our case to meetings - who attends them? We get publicity in mainly financial journals/financial pages - who reads them?

In all these cases we are talking only to the minority. The difference with the social media campaign is that it speaks to EVERYONE, not just politicians, not just financial journos, not just investors.

The one thing that politicians are aware of is the public perception of them - particularly relevant when they're looking for votes.

Social media goes straight to the people who vote. Get them onside and the politicians can't ignore us. We need to work hard enough to get ourselves into the daily newspapers and onto the TV, not as a financial item but as gossip - that's what people take notice of and that's what we need to harness.


Then and Now

  • lorraine
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  • Tue, 25/08/2009 - 13:35

Wanda that's a brilliant idea, just simple videos preferably personal but if anonymous then with some action - slides etc. - to make it come alive. Failing that write the story on our facebook page. Not as effective but worthwhile.

Make sure we all get the url etc. so it can be posted on twitter.

By the way, some of the videos are now being posted daily on the ksfiomdepositor twitter page. Direct traffic to it over and over again please.