Recommended that everyone writes to a U.K. MP. Here's how.

  • ianhkhi
  • 12/10/08 31/05/09
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Posted: Mon, 13/10/2008 - 22:27

You can find a U.K. MP to write to here
http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/commons/l/

As I don't have a U.K. address, I emailed to the MP representing my place of birth (in England). His contact inormation did warn that if I didn't supply a local constituency address I would probably not receive a reply. Anyway, I entered something like "Born there 65 years ago. Overseas now". I received an auto acknowledgment and then a short while later the following personal reply:

Thank you for your email of 13th October I will do what I can but as you can imagine my whole email system is almost literally on fire with the huge volume of individual issues arising out of this dreadful crises. I am hoping to write to you more fully in the next day to two about this very troubling issue.

So... nothing substantive and indeed he may not even now be fully aware of the KSFIoM situation, but I'm grateful that he has quickly expressed concern and a willingness to look into the problems.

I recommend all U.K. citizen KSFIoM depositors write to 'their' MPs too. Use your birthplace if there's no closer connection.

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MP contact

  • Bill
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  • Thu, 16/10/2008 - 20:19

Write to your MP. But get friends, family and relatives to do the same. Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Uncles, Aunts, Cousins - get them all writing, phoning. My Dad called his MP - very well recieved - do the same!


Raise the profile

  • OnceBitten
  • 12/10/08 30/11/12
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10.50 a.m. 15/10/08 -- But I was so busy with follow-up letters to MPs and MEPs, I did not get time to post this before -- sorry!

I am very grateful to "Ianhkhi" for providing the link (viz. http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/commons/l/ ) to discover how to write to my MP, and the draft of a letter -- both of which were very useful.

Since I have a flat in Berkshire, UK, on Wednesday (15/10) I did write to my MP -- and also to all of my (ten) MEPs.

(MEPs can be found via: http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/enter-location/local/my-council-reps/my-... )

I would urge anyone either with property in the UK, or who counts the UK as his base, to write similar letters to their elected representatives. Those from other countries should write to whoever they feel has power and influence -- since awareness, pressure, and action is what we need, across the board. Individually it may not do a lot of good, but collectively it might at least raise this problem above the parapet.

It is worth pointing out that, to have any real effect, each person written to should get an email personally addressed to THEM, since cc.'d and bc.'d copies always leave recipients feeling, "This is not for me. I don't have to do anything about it." And experience shows, they DON'T.

-- OnceBitten, in Hong Kong. (Where at least they have now decided to guarantee bank deposits with NO limit -- pity the IoM couldn't do similarly....)

With thanks to "Ianhkhi" for his original draft, this was my version, which others will of course want and need to modify further, possibly combining elements of both.

Dear MP/MEP,

I lost the vast majority of my life savings in the Kaupthing, Singer & Friedlander (Isle of Man) collapse last week.

Despite actually faxing a SIGNED letter with my instructions (with my actionable "codeword") last Tuesday 7/10/08, ordering KSF to immediately liquidate all my savings and send to my Barclays bank account -- the money NEVER ARRIVED.

From 7.45 a.m London time I had emailed and e-faxed KSF no less than FIFTEEN TIMES, asking them to call me ... I also tried to CALL the bank myself -- but of course, could not get through.

There are hundreds of other British KSF (IoM) savers like me who are getting no mention in the media, have NO REPRESENTATION and have received NO reassurance. Where is OUR bail-out?

If a British MP can't help, WHO can people like us turn to?

And if the government doesn't do something for us -- who in heaven's name WILL?

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Another MP who responded

  • dustyourselfdown
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Letter received today from Rt Hon. David Curry MP acknowleding my email and staing 1) he will be writing to the Chancellor on my behalf and 2) will keep me posted of respones received.


MP's response

  • Hoping and coping
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I e-mailed a letter yesterday to our MP (where our UK home was situated until May this year - my full story just posted in the Stories section), asking for attention to be drawn to, and action to be taken on behalf of, all those affected by this situation, and received a very prompt reply saying that he is watching the banking situation very closely and that he and his colleagues are lobbying to save British offshore accounts. Hopefully every little counts...


My MP replied

  • TheThurloSquire
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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More an acknowledgemnt of my email but in the letter he has said he will ask questions of the Treasury..... the more MP's asking questions the better.....


E-mail to my MP

  • JC1
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Got same sort of reply from mine too - I'm in the North West, but i suppose every voice we can find at the moment is for greater good of us all.....!


Having a couple of problems with some MP's email

  • skintagainnow
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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having some MP's emails returned

This is using c/o address --- bummer will have to think of a new plan for these Kinda don't think the France is going to be accepted...

Strange just noticed all Labour too ?????

Dear Mr. ******,
Thank you for your email.
I would be grateful if you could let me have your home address please as there is a very strict parliamentary protocol.
L**** T****** Secretary to Doug Henderson MP

MEP's so far standard response "will be dealt with" "looked into"
Cons & LD's appear to accept - may have a try across the border see what they make of it


Contact MP's

  • TheThurloSquire
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Try this web site if you can't find details of your MP

www.WriteToThem.com


mail on sunday

  • dave
  • 14/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 16/10/2008 - 11:49

please look at my post on general discussion


My MP replied

  • go mann
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My earlier message [also copied to Mr Viasey] generted the following response ...

Dear xxxxx
How nice to hear from you – even if it is as a consequence of sad news…
I do sympathise with the position you find yourselves in and we’ll see what answers we can get from the Treasury
With every good wish to you and xxxxx
Best
Michael


Treasury and all N.West MP's

  • JC1
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Hi,
I e-mailed all the above again today........( Cant get a response from m local MP !!!)
Any more suggestions ?.....I'm at home this afternoon and can get on th case with a vengance!


I'm trying to keep MPs alive

  • ianhkhi
  • 12/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 16/10/2008 - 04:40

Well, I'm trying to keep this topic about emailing British MPs alive and visible on your computer screen.

Please look up all the advice here on how to contact and educate and pressure and cajole and threaten (?) British Members of Parliament even if, like me, you haven't been near the country in decades. It's possible. It's easy. Please do it.


EMAILING/WRITING MPs

  • IceCrusher
  • 14/10/08 25/10/11
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  • Thu, 16/10/2008 - 04:59

I totally agree ianhkhi, and I sent mine off to Mr John Grogan using the http://www.writetothem.com webpage. There are some very good tips on this site and perhaps one of the most pertinent is to use your own words and not 'cut&paste' copies. Perhaps instead of providing 'template' letters we could provide a list of relevant sentences from which people could pick and choose to assist in the production of a letter/email?


Reponse from my MP

  • HOPPER
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I wrote to my MP over the weekend. She phoned me on Monday and was very sympathetic. I asked her to focus on the lost-in-transit chaps payments. I provided her with my printed evidence of what I did. I received a letter from her today confirming that she has written on my behalf to the Economic Secretary at HM Treasury requesting an explanation. Will post any further news I receive.


Yes its time to get the MPs

  • expat
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  • Wed, 15/10/2008 - 21:59

Yes its time to get the MPs in London invloved now we have a GBgov statement.


Did my bit too and sent the

  • Toast8
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  • Wed, 15/10/2008 - 19:15

Did my bit too and sent the mail be recorded delivery. Given the Oct 24th deadline, by the time our esteemed politicians receive and open their correspondence our fates could be decided. What confirms our up hill battle to seize the initiative and the media focus is a piece I recently watched on News 24 from a correspondent reporting from Jersey. Concern was being expressed by the financial services sector with their local time zone and wanting to move to from GMT! Muppet Island II is currently in production and all the best to anyone on location. It goes on general release late Oct I believe:)


Letter to MP

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I wrote an e-mail today to my MP (Hon. Claire Short MP). If/when I get a reply I will post.


Still need to educate all the MPs. Please help. Here's how.

  • ianhkhi
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  • Wed, 15/10/2008 - 16:45

If you're British, please email an MP. We still need every one of them to be aware of and educated about our situation. Even if you've been away from the UK for several decades, you can easily write. Go to the Actions tab, then General Actions, then "Recommended everyone writes to an MP. Here's how." for details. You don't need a UK address.

http://www.ksfiomdepositors.netgenius.co.uk/?q=comment/reply/93#


write to MP

  • Relentless Posse
  • 14/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Wed, 15/10/2008 - 14:33

Yes this is important - keep those MPs from sleeping.I will be writing one letter a week


Response from MP (Tyne Bridge)

  • carlosherbane
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I wrote to my MP on Saturday. Here is his reply (if had no response since then 14.10.08)

Dear Sir

What is your home address please?
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I see no reason to be overly concerned. From what you have said your savings should be substantially if not wholly covered by government gaurantees

Regards

David Clelland


Which government?

  • ianhkhi
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  • Tue, 14/10/2008 - 19:49

Does he mean the U.K. Government? Could you ask him for clarification please?
Frankly, it looks to me like he doesn't have a clue and probably only read your email cursorily.
Pressure and education are key right now, don't you think?


Response from my MP (Nick Palmer)

  • iak1655
  • 13/10/08 31/05/09
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I emailed Nick Palmer (Broxtowe, Nottingham - Lab)
and got the following response (this was second email). He also said he would advertise the deposit action group link as there could be others affected in this area it having Derbyshire BS branches. If there are others who live in the ward just let me know numbers and i will advise him which may help to get him involved.

The exact position of the Isle of Man in this context is something that isn't clear to me - I believe that they are exempt from British taxation, and if so the case for full compensation from British taxpayers is perhaps harder to make than for mainland accounts. But there are international agreements to which they may be part (I believe the £50K results from a European Economic Area agreement, to which Iceland is party), and in any case the human worry for people who weren't clear on the implications, like yourselves, is very clear. I'll do my best to get definite answers as soon as possible.


Response from Nick Palmer

  • frozenrover
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GMT

Would you mind reminding Nick that many of us remain British tax payers and live on the mainland and
continue to pay tax here. It beggars belief that my neighbour could have put the same amount
into K Edge as my wife did in KSFIOM and he gets 100% support and we get b**ger all

Many thanks


Response from my MP

  • Shiney
  • 13/10/08 n/a (free)
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  • Tue, 14/10/2008 - 19:09

I sent an e-mail to my local MP Mr Doug Henderson
(Newcastle North Lab.) and received the following reply by letter today:

'Thank you for your email of the 10th October and I was very sorry to hear of the problems that you are experiencing because of the position with the Kaupthing Edge Bank, Isle of Man.

I have raised this matter with the Treasury on your behalf and I will, of course, keep you advised of any response that I may receive.

In the meantime, if I can be of help in any other way, please don't hesitate to get in touch'.

Please contact your MP to keep this subject at the forefront of their minds.


What I sent on 11 Oct ... use

  • go mann
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What I sent on 11 Oct ... use or abuse or modify as you see fit!
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Dear xxxxxx,

You may be surprised to receive a communication from xxxx, but as xxxxx and I are Registered Overseas Voters in xxxxx I feel it may be appropriate to contact you.

We are one of the numerous savers with Kaupthing Edge (Isle of Man) which, as you know, collapsed last week. Many depositors have lost massive sums and families are facing complete financial ruin.

An off-shore Depositors Action Group has been formed, and a hastily-created website is at http://www.ksfiomdepositors.com/cms/ That site includes a tab where the sums involved are specified: I estimate the running total to be well in excess of £30 million.

It is pertinent that these savers are British ex-patriates, for whom it is almost impossible to open a UK bank/savings account from abroad. There is an understandable concern that, whilst the Government makes efforts to recover funds for UK-based individuals and institutions, those living off-shore may not receive the same support. These individuals are not "tax evaders", but are simply British people either living or working abroad. We are now all caught up in the complexities of UK/Icelandic/IOM legislation and pan-national banking regulation, but lack a Parliamentary voice in our Home Country. We are understandably concerned that the UK Government might, in the midst of this crisis, forget that the off-shore community are also deeply involved.

I know this topic lies outside your specific remit, but I should be most grateful if you would convey our concerns to appropriate colleagues on both sides of The House.

With best regards,

REPLY ...
My earlier message [also copied to Mr Viasey] generted the following response ...

Dear xxxxx
How nice to hear from you – even if it is as a consequence of sad news…
I do sympathise with the position you find yourselves in and we’ll see what answers we can get from the Treasury
With every good wish to you and xxxxx
Best
Michael


MP Draft?

  • go mann
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[edit = I see it survived the last crash!]


Local MP

  • benharvey
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Hello,

I contact my MP on Friday last week, and went through the details verbally then followed it up with a letter.

I had an update from her this morning, she met with Treasury officials yesterday. They wouldnt comment immediately but are going to do some checking and come back to her.

Not very much - but I will keep chasing her.

Best Regards,


Local MP Contact Details

  • Mike
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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If you are looking for your local MP's contact details try:
http://www.parliament.uk/directories/directories.cfm


Wrote to Martin Linton MP

  • swissloss
  • 13/10/08 31/05/09
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I have written to Martin Linton - would be my MP if I am still able to buy a flat in his constituency (Wandsworth) - all my money was in KSF IOM. Have pointed out that this is a very very local issue with a direct impact on the UK at many levels.

Only an autoreply so far but am hopeful.


Martin Linton MP

  • Chipped Off
  • 12/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 14/10/2008 - 19:13

He is also my MP so lets hope he does reply to one of us.


I wrote to Dave Cameron and an MP

  • sabi Star
  • 10/10/08 n/a (free)
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  • Tue, 14/10/2008 - 06:03

No reply from D. Cameron - wrote on saturday. Acknowledged by MP


emailing mp

  • iak1655
  • 13/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 14/10/2008 - 05:54

Just to say i have emailed my MP - one Nick Palmer.


Petition the PM - online

  • ws
  • 13/10/08 31/05/09
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There is a site where we can start and sign up for a petition to PM
What about requesting the PM and UK govt helps IOM depositors at the same time as he helps the UK branches and acct holders?
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/


10 Downing Street Petition

  • 5928
  • 14/10/08 31/05/09
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I liked the idea initially but fear that with so many people being in territories outside of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.... the authorities would wriggle out of allowing one to be raised.
Just my gut feeling, not founded and maybe the Gurkha story shows one can succeed.

A further thought is that with all these volunteers and people working abroad being forced to hold offshore bank accounts and possibly losing out, it raises 'a lesson to be learnt' for the future with regards to getting UK Banks to allow expats to hold/continue holding bank accounts.


Find your MP

  • skintagainnow
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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This link - no limits to letter size

http://www.writetothem.com/


open for review - what's the thoughts

  • skintagainnow
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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what's the thoughts on this one - anyone using will have to alter **** to suit their circumstances etc,. poss another cat for people who sold businesses ????

I'm seding to local MP where I'm staying and where I'll have to return to!!!

Dear MP,

As you will be aware the HM government vis e vie the FSA suspended trading in KSF / KE UK ltd last week and subsequently transferred with a full guarantee all private savings accounts to ING, with a specific promise that "no British saver would suffer from the collapse of the Icelandic banks". However this applies only to mainland UK accounts and not to accounts held offshore within crown dependencies, these were specifically excluded. This effectively means that most, if not all British citizens living and / or working aboard who are prohibited from holding a UK mainland savings account have been excluded and now stand to lose all their savings. In some cases this has caused severe financial hardship and extreme distress, I would like to draw your attention to a website that has been setup to highlight this problem, the include link is for their stories, these are real people and real life stories.

http://www.ksfiomdepositors.netgenius.co.uk/?q=node/21

From the 3 categories summarized below, I myself a fully qualified *********** will be in category * and stand to lose *** years of hard earned UK tax paid savings.

1) receiving basic UK state pensions - tax paid interest from tax paid savings accounts, this formed a top up of their pensions enabling them to enjoy a quality of life.

2) over 50's have no other income except that of tax paid interest on 20>30 years of tax paid savings.

3) 20>50 have years of savings wiped out and face a very uncertain future, many of whom work in aid sector or will be returning to the UK after short or long term contracts abroad.

In all examples a substantial number will now be forced to return to the UK and are compelled by circumstances beyond their control to turn to the welfare system in order to obtain housing and whatever other state benefits they maybe entitled to, in order for them and their families to survive, myself included. This clearly is a drain on the welfare system, that could and still can be so easily avoided especially as these citizens had made ample provisions to ensure they and their families could return to the UK without the need of state intervention in the form of benefits. You may also have seen the recent BBC news program highlighting the case of an 86 year old widow who had worked hard all her life only to see her life's savings evaporate, there are many similar stories at the website. I would urge you to view and please consider assisting us in our fight to have our savings guaranteed along with all other UK mainland savers.

http://www.ksfiomdepositors.netgenius.co.uk/?q=node/21

There is a distinct danger the government may alienate a much needed, educated and highly motivated resource in all sectors of the workplace. As you will no doupt be aware many, many thousands of UK citizens and voters work in virtually every country in the world, surely to exclude this valuable UK resource could not have been the intention of HMG whilst draughting and implementing the recent rescue plan.

May I repeat one very important but little known fact, you now can not open savings accounts in a mainland UK institution if you do not have a UK address, hence the requirement for most to open offshore IoM or other Crown dependency accounts, we are not "fat cats" or "city slickers" trying to evade tax responsibilities or squirrel money out of the UK coffers just plain ordinary hard working people including armed forces families who are posted aboard.

Yours sincerly

not to be added -- too little sleep over too many days --


Armed forces personnel caught too? Political dynamite?

  • ianhkhi
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I wonder if skintagainnow could say where he found his point about armed forces personnel posted overseas being among our number?
It seems to me that this would be a totally serious political point, of extreme value to our cause, if there were an example we could quote to the media and to MPs. (Anonymity preserved of course.)


Re armed forces

  • skintagainnow
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came from fool site

http://www.fool.co.uk/news/your-money/savings/2008/10/10/bad-news-for-ka...

open quote

optimist11
11 Oct 2008, 2:51pm
My husband is part of the British military and we are posted abroad. I would like to open a Building Society account but because we live abroad this is proving to be impossible.

Has anyone got any suggestions how I can open a British Building Society account?

end quote

I've no way of contacting the poster, I do have several contacts still in the military - RN & RAF but none posted overseas - lets face it there's not many non hostile places left where we have a permanent base - also be aware it's only when based overseas and probably (would have to be) billeted off- base - if on-base even in married quaters it will be BFPO address, or may have bought a property close to the base - many do - marry locals etc,. I'd guess the poster is in Germany but can't be sure. Have also heard this applies to embassy staff too --- once off base or embassy then the same rules apply to them as to us - no UK address = no mainland account.


I believe he is talking about

  • occams razor
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I believe he is talking about this gentleman, a terrible case of misfortune.

http://www.ksfiomdepositors.netgenius.co.uk/?q=node/21#comment-2164

I have written to him and suggested his case is a very strong one for putting forward to the media to show we are not all millionaires etc etc, but so far have not received a reply.
Khan12009, if you are out there, it would be valuable.
That said, there are many legitimate reasons why some people are not able to go on TV etc.


letter to MP & MEP's

  • skintagainnow
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For the MEP's added a header and include EU who appropriate to the above pointing out that this applied to UK citizens still living / working in EU countries and may also apply to the broader EU ex- pat workforce thus should be a matter brought up in Brussels if Iceland continues on it's quest for EU membership - highlighting parental guarantees etc,.


MP Letter

  • Mike
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Just sent to my MP Liz Blackman, received a recorded acknowledgement. Look forward to the reply!!!

Keep this up everyone


MP letter and response

  • TykeinSingapore
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I also wrote to my MP and got an immediate response:
"Thank you for your email and I was very sorry to read of your problems with KSF and the Isle of Man.

I will raise your concerns with Treasury Ministers immediately seeking clarification of just what has occurred here. Judging by the way that this issue was presented on the BBC news last night it may be that our Government have not acted correctly.

I hope that this can be resolved quickly and I will of course be in touch again when I have news from Ministers"

I hope the more that MPs are aware the greater the momentum is for this issue to be made more public.


BBC report

  • occams razor
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Sounds like a fairly standard reply.
But the BBC reference is interesting in showing the bbc report's influence.


Mp Letter

  • shafted
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I have just written letter