PREPARING FOR WAR

  • Lucky Jim
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Posted: Tue, 23/06/2009 - 07:59

When diplomatic overtures finally break down the gloves will have to come off.

The DAG needs to be prepared for war.

The Isle of Man government is doing quite a good job in ruining its reputation. I think the DAG should show generosity of spirit by helping it do the job better.

The objective would not be to bring down the banks but to alert the people of the world to the dangers of trusting the IoM with their money.

This is a post under 'Actions & Strategy' to invite members to set out hereunder 10 or more reasons why people around the world should not deposit in the Isle of Man.

If war is declared these 'cannon balls' will appear on the Internet & will find their way onto the front page of newspapers throughout the world.

The DAG has all the cards. It will show itself capable of being a 'weapon of mass destruction' if that is what it takes to get a political decision from the IoM government in favour of the just claim for 100% restoration of all deposits.

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What about some hard hitting statistics?

  • tonycBrisbaneOz
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The number of people who've been made destitute.

The number of people who've died with out seeing their property returned to them.

The number of business that have failed because they don't have access their cash.

The number of pensioners who've had their pension confiscated.

Regards, TonyC.


PLease people

  • bellyup
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Just nip over to the Manx forums and add something there.
Even if its just a smiley.
My aim is to keep the topics ( there are three going at the moment ) at the top of the list thereby getting max. viewing - here they are:

http://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32732
http://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32732
http://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=33309

Please dont respond to abuse ( we are not like that)

Its a small gesture but I would like them to be aware that we are still out here.

Thank you.


Help please Bellyup!

  • anrigaut
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I've registered, logged in and tried to post a "reply" to one of your posts on the 3rd topic above (BTW, you only give two different links). But I just can't work out where and how to write my comment! So now my post appears with your's in a box (fine), but nothing else! I tried to "edit" it, but still can't understand where to write. I must be really stupid, because others seem to manage!

I would rather delete my post than leave it looking stupid like that. But I can't see any way to do that either!

Please can you help (here or by email)?

Update: OK, thanks Bellyup for your email. Panic over! I just hadn't scrolled down far enough to find the 'submit' button.


ACTION, ACTION, ACTION

  • conned
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If you have ideas for taking action to further our aims, please apply to join the Actions and Tasks team. We need all the help we can get.

HAVE YOU SENT YOUR ENVELOPES TO THE TYNWALD YET???


PREPARING FOR WAR - please keep posting!

  • Lucky Jim
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This post is in danger of slipping off the agenda!

Many thanks for the submissions to date; they are being registered by the webmaster.

Please keep posting all the reasons you can think of as to why depositing savings in the IoM is seriously risky

The 16 'cannon balls' submitted to date are not enough to sink the reputation of the Isle of Man.

Has anyone spotted any 'questionable' statements that banks make to entice people to deposit with them ?


My two reasons never to us the IOM's banking sector again

  • Iwantmymoneyback
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  1. There is no commitment from the local authorities to decisively step in when a bank goes pear-shaped, unlike anywhere else. In fact, their only concern is to look after their own interests.

  2. The Island's small size menas incestuous relations between parties which should be independant from each other, eg the govt, the liquidator, judges. Unfortunately, it is almost inevitable and it is a fatal flaw.


Reasons not to bank on the IOM

  • tonycBrisbaneOz
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1) What about the comments from John Cashen that banks should be allowed to fail?

2) There were also some comments made by John Aspden. Expecting depositors to job of the regulator, i.e. their own due diligence.

Regards, TonyC


PIP SQUEEKERS ARE ON THE MOVE!!! WAR HAS BEGUN !!

  • conned
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I hear good reports about the number of evelopes and letters descending on the IOM. This is just the begining. Get writing, send several, and put any ideas for the war on the IOM forward. Have some people in London got student children or grandchildren they could pay to distribute leaflets to businessmen in the city? BEWARE BANKING IN THE ISLE OF MAN !! and add any other suitable info. Is this difficult to do? Is this too much bother to save your thousands of hard earned pounds? We need action from ALL of you. If you don't get a move on I could send BOB GELDORF to berate you.


Students

  • lorraine
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I have two student daughters and they have plenty of friends all wanting to earn money. If DAG want to produce thousands of flyers and about £7.50/hr then they'll happily get to work whenever and wherever.


After 8 months, it is time to fire back . . .

  • drglowry
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We were clearly in the sights of HMT / IOMG well before the first blow was received last October. Our adversaries bought 8 months of time and we are still at "square one" with respect to gaining access to our funds. If we wait much longer to begin to hit back, it will be too late. The time for the viral Internet campaign is now. The message is simple:

"I / We trusted the IOM with our life / retirement savings and they have been stolen from us. Don't make the same mistake. If you have funds in IOM, find a safer home for them. If your financial advisor is advising you to entrust your savings to IOM, change your advisor. Don't let them do you, too!"

Or similar. A couple of pictures of some of us in our dispossession, linked to a hard-hitting web site should serve the dual purposes of creating the necessary pressure on IOMG to do the right thing and to warn other, unsuspecting people like ourselves from making the same mistake we did in trusting the reputation of IOM.

Over to you.


Spreading the word to expats in west Africa

  • simba
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I have found a nice site to talk directly to expats working in West Afirca (www.oyibosonline.com) The membership is around 3000 strong and I would guess that each and everyone of them is forced to bank offshore. I have selected various snippets to introduce the IOM problem to them, I have no doubt that we will gain significant support from this group.
mail(?)oyibosonline [dot] com


Hear hear

  • IoM-neveragain
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Agreed Lucky Jim 100%.
There are thousands of us and the internet makes spreading the word easy and affordable, and IT LIVES FOREVER.

My thinking cap is on!


@Preparing for War

  • IceCrusher
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THE ISLE OF MAN DOESN’T HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON:

  1. No bank of last resort

  2. An island population unable to support a financial centre this size.

  3. No representation for depositors who bank there – no vote no hope


its finished anyway..

  • hippychickrobbed
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  • Tue, 23/06/2009 - 17:58

Its finito there for safe banking...better in bucharest


It's time to get personal

  • IoM-neveragain
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  • Tue, 23/06/2009 - 20:46

Please do look at these sites:
http://landsbankiguernseysavers.co.uk/BanksInGuernsey.html
http://landsbankiguernseysavers.co.uk/

A site like this but for IoM would make the IoM politicians sit up and think
Make it personal, name, a picture and shame!
Let the world see what these **** are like.


Name & Shame/ Photos

  • DJO Gutted
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I would be happy to gather photos of all the Henchmen in this saga.
A KSFIOM site very similar as the above mentioned Landsbanki with links to each others site is strongly needed.
Anybody want to start the site?
Am waiting for response from Edge Media re: a journalist to dig the dirt. Will be chasing them up today.


this name and shame, photos...

  • hippychickrobbed
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I like that idea, a nice website with photos and the stroy behind it...come on enough talk, enough playing victims...


"Don't bank in the IoM" website

  • IoM-neveragain
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A few thoughts on possible content for the suggested web site:

I am out on field work for the next two weeks but after that I can devote time to running up some content on these, or other, suggested content items.

• List of all those countries which have arranged for depositors to receive all their money back

• photos of the main players in the ksf saga with a few words about them

• details of the other banks that have failed in the IoM, is it 3 or four now? and what happened

• the dcs scheme and how it is a con being unfunded and that it still has not paid out

• the incestuous relationship between ksfiom and the regulator

• brief on the soa

• extracts from the UK TSC report

• that the relevant company law in the IoM is from 1931!!

• information from the UK report on the IoM which led to the setting up of the FSC

• that the recent "good" reports from the imf etc on the IoM are only concerned with money laundering etc and make no judgement on the safety of banking in the IoM (despite the IoM suggesting otherwise)

• that deposits in the IoM are now falling.

If we stick to hard facts then there should be no concern about litigation against us.


Don't bank ON the Isle of Man

  • anrigaut
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Good ideas IOM-neveragain. A couple of thoughts:

"Don't bank ON the Isle of Man" - with its 'double-entente' is surely better than "Don't bank IN the Isle of Man" ?

Include Nixi's Manx Alchemy song (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendI...). It says it all (including "Don't bank on the IOM") and never fails to raise my spirits (and send shivers down my spine!) when I need encouragement to continue the fight, write more letters etc. Some are moved by images and stories, but others respond to music and a good protest song can work wonders. Thanks again nixi - a great effort which I feel has not been made sufficient use of yet.


anrigaut I love the play on words there, brilliant

  • IoM-neveragain
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Don't bank ON the IoM, brilliant
See if we all pull together we can do amazing things
The IoM stand no chance, but we must keep up the pressure from all sides and all angles

They won't know what's hit them!!


Don't bank on the IOM ...

  • anrigaut
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... were not MY words: others have used this slogan before me and I found it brilliant - so simple and effective.

Have you listened to Manx Alchemy? It's in there too - right at the start.


The slogan is mine

  • fight theft
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This is already designed by me as a flashing banner and slogan to appear at the end of all ads. I have been an Art Director in Advertising for over 20 years - and always the simplest is best.
I want to run a flashing banner on all the financial websites who recommended this damned bank as AAA rated in the summer of 2008. (I think they owe us free space after the mess they got us into!, but I doubt they'll run it but I have back up media ideas too). I've lost 30 years of money in 5 weeks and we are all continuing to lose more money while constantly giving our time over to solving this mess.
I also have other ads, flyers and articles waiting in the wings - the timing is now. It has been difficult at each juncture to run aggressive "shame and blame ads" as we kept stalling and shelving the media communications and exposees with the hope that each perpetrator IOM Gov, HMG, 2 Treasury’s was perhaps going to “to right by us”, which hasn’t happened! So no more Mr.and Ms Nice Guy and Gal , no more diplomacy (all deadlines of decency have been and gone now) I will try and counter attack any 6 million the IOM Gove are spending on advertising themselves as a “Banking Haven” Now it’s war and I have name and shame ideas coming out of my ears DAG HNW Lucky Jim contact me for a brainstorming very soon and I will share further ideas. Trouble is I am abroad at present but thank God for the internet age – we all would have perished without it.


fight theft...always a fighter

  • hippychickrobbed
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come on lets get the ball rolling..


Aah - at last, fight theft!!

  • anrigaut
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Aah - at last, fight theft!! I had understood the slogan was your's and have been waiting and hoping for you to re-appear! Ice put out a call for help to you a short while ago, but maybe you missed it.

I agree we had to wait and give negotiation a chance. I don't like war, but it now seems the only way. Your expertise and experience are clearly just what we need right now. Let's go for it!


@ DJO Gutted -- Photos welcome -- anything welcome !

  • Lucky Jim
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Yes, it would be most helpful if you would collect photos & send them to me:
from-jim(?)hotmail [dot] com

The site is in the design stage.

The objective will be a high profile exposure of the IoM as an unsafe place to put one's life savings.

It MUST fit in with DST's strategy & it will need a legal eye casting over it before it goes 'live' --- you don't tinker lightly with a WOMD !

If anyone knows of a professional webdesigner who is media savvy to help in the construction of this 'device', do drop me a line.


@Lucky Jim Shame Website

  • DJO Gutted
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Will start immediately to collect photos by searching the web. Give me a couple of days. When complete you can inform me if I have left anyone out.
No one will be spared!

Am thinking re: Web Designer but if all else fails I have a Mac Computer with iWeb program that I can use to start with to get things up and running or/and use as a template for a web guy. It is simple and straight forward to use with a good quality result.


Landsbanki Guernsey sites

  • mikeinfrance
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IOM-neveragain.......................Thanks for drawing our atention to the Lansdbanki Guernsey sites.....I notice that Anglo Irish bank IOM is advertising on one of those sites !!!
They're great. I hope that a similar IOM site is being planned by DAG.


That's the idea! Lets get to work . . .

  • drglowry
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Naming and shaming is a good idea - would also be therapeutic. IOMG will pay attention only when deposits begin to leave the island as a result of a public information campaign. Otherwise, it is their ball, their bat, and they make the rules. The only sensitivity our adversaries have is financial. They must be hit where they hurt, or they will simply continue to lead us around by the nose.

Can a depositor with an advertising background produce a simple graphic image suitable for insertion into an e-mail? The attention-grabbing image should link to a site similar to the Guernsey


yes, get going...

  • hippychickrobbed
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we need to name and shame, they have ruined many many lives, see what it feels like to beg for scraps of your savings. TOTALLY HUMILIATING.


Landsbank

  • icdbrazil
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IOM - neveragain

Note the sites, agree we need todo same.

DAG Team - Have there been discussions with their DAG to join forces in any way?


Would you trust???

  • Monkeyface3604
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Would you trust a goverment run by an ex shop keeper, an electrician and a farmer. Come on get serious!!!!


Would you trust ???

  • conned
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  • Wed, 24/06/2009 - 18:34

These people you mention are doing a good job making monkeys out of us. Don't underestimate them they are not inneficient they are dangerously clever.


Underestimating IOMG and politicians . . .

  • drglowry
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One strategic error that some of us depositors have made has been to underestimate the IOMG / DSC officials and politicians who have been doing an effective job in leading us around. To date, they have successfully bought 8 months of delay, have nearly forced us to pay for it, and have managed to put their own man in charge of Liquidation. Electricians, shopkeepers, and other small business people must be clever and quick to survive. It would be foolish to continue to underestimate them.


What's the point of a website?

  • lorraine
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Doesn't matter how good the website is, who is going to see it? A viral email costs next to nothing and starts working from day one.
If you are having a website then you need social media to drive traffic to it.
You need people handing out flyers.
You need to be a lot more proactive, designing a pretty website is a waste of time and money unless you get big traffic.


in support of website

  • mikeinfrance
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lorraine..Your question about who is going to see a DAG website along the lines of the Landsbanki Guernsey sites could perhaps be answered in part by the fact that the UK government appears to have tried hard to have the Landsbanki site closed down...
see this:
http://real-deal-blog.com/2008/12/14/landsbankiguernseysaverscouk-landsb...

Why would they bother if they thought nobody was visiting the site: Also why would several IOM banks, and other offshore financial organisations advertise on the Landsbanki Guernsey site I wonder ?

Flyers are bits of paper to be disposed of in the nearest bin!


people would read a website..

  • hippychickrobbed
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I agree no one takes notice too much of a flyer but a website makes you sit up and take note, people need to be warned what we are going through... I hope this is just not another chat talk but action