KSF Letter 5/11/08 re In Flight Transfer
Letter received today............and for their information, I am one of the Depositors supporting the Hopper legal action.
Dear............,
I understand that you made a request for the transfer of funds from your account prior to 9 October 2008.
Following my appointment as Liquidator Provisionally of Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander (Isle of Man) Limited ("the Bank") on 9 October 2008. I have sought to clarify the position with regard to such transactions.
With regard to your request for funds to be transferred, I can confirm that according to the records of the Bank book entries were made debiting your account with the Bank. However, in respect of sterling transactions the Bank used its account with its sister company, Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander Ltd (in administration)("Kaupthing UK") in the UK to process payment requests from its own customers. We are advised that although the Bank included the aforementioned transaction in a batch of entries sent to Kaupthing UK for processing by them out of the Bank's account with them, it had not in turn been processed by Kaupthing UK through its own clearing facilities with RBS at the time that company entered into administration.
We have sought legal advice in respect of how such transactions should now be treated. including obtaining an opinion from leading Counsel in the UK. This advice has confirmed that following administration of Kaupthing UK. together with the presentation of a petition to wind up the Bank on the grounds that it is unable to meet its liabilities as they fall due, there is no prospect that the Liquidator Provisionally (or any Liquidator if one is appointed in due course) will be in a position to complete these transactions. The Bank's account with Kaupthing UK is now in effect frozen and the Bank will rank as an unsecured creditor of Kaupthing UK in respect of the balance held in that account.
There have been suggestions that some kind of trust claim or proprietary interest arises in favour of a customer in circumstances where (i) instructions were given by the customer, prior to the appointment of the Liquidator Provisionally, for an electronic funds transfer to an account of the customer at another bank, and (ii) the inter-bank transactions required to effect such instructions were not completed (by the appropriate credit being made to the customer's account at the recipient bank) prior to the appointment of the Liquidator Provisionally. Whilst you may take your own advice upon these points should you wish to do so, I have taken legal advice in this regard and am advised that such suggestions are incorrect and that instructions for a funds transfer give rise to no trust claim or propriety interest.
I shall accordingly be making arrangements for your account with the Bank to be re-credited as the date of the initial debit entry, with the relevant amount including any transaction charges. Following the hearing of the petition for the formal winding up of the Bank, on 27 November 2008, if a Liquidator is appointed, customers will be contacted with regard to the process for claiming monies owed to them.
In the interim we will be shortly issuing statements to customers as at 30 September 2008. It is intended that statements as at 9 October 2008 will be issued in due course once we have completed re-crediting accounts as referred to above.
If you have any queries, please contact KSFIOM on +44(0)1624699222.
Yours sincerely
Scott Bevan
For Mike Simpson
Liquidator Provisionally of
Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander (Isle of Man) Limited

In Flight letter
Maybe I am wrong, but I understood from threads two weeks ago that the "normal" route for transfers was directly through RBS, which is logical since KFS (IoM) and KSF (UK) are completely separate entities and would have their own clearing links. Did they then already know that KSF UK was about to come tumbling down and therefore wanted to start using up the GBP 550 million in the account there in order not to lose it - but were too late?
So what about Euro and $ transfers?
He seems to emphasise that the money needs to be returned because Sterling transactions go through KSF UK. I wonder where that leaves Euro and US$ transactions
Euro and usd in flights
We don't know what will happen Klaus but the priciple which has undermined the sterling case is the advice from PWC's lawyers that the UK bank is unable to complete the transfer since it is in administration. Clearly this is not the case with Deutsche Bank (mine was Euro).
However it is still not clear which Sterling transfers were stuck in UK KSF and which ones were still stuck in backroom in IOM.
My best guess is that Euro transfers requested around the 6/8 october were stuck in a nostro account in IOM. If they made it to Frankfurt then there may be a chance they would be allowed to continue but its impossible to be sure until we get that letter......
Would be interesting to hear what Hopper's team make of this.
Euro US$ Longshot
Yes I think it was probably stuck in IOM nostro account. If I was a gambling man (which I clearly am since I managed to gamble a large sum away by with my KSF IOM account) then I would give us a 10% chance of success on this one!
In flight - Ensure PWC don't benefit
At very least we should ensure that it is not PWC and Simpson that benefit in the event of liquidation from the larger pot they are trying to create.
Good luck Hopper's group it seems incredible to me that a bank processes requests for withdrawl slowly and then claim that they didn't arrive at the destination in time to be valid.