Justice Commitee Meeting

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The following link is to a video of the Justice Committee meeting on 10th December.

http://www.twofourdigital.net/UKParliament/Archive/0000005480.wmv.asx?cu...

The first 20-30 minutes shows Lord Bach looking very uncomfortable as he questioned about the situation.

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Thanks steenjp; I will add

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Thanks steenjp; I will add the 'we'; remove the 'pathetic'; make 'senior ministers' lower case and add an 's' to asset - I shan't post back to the site though so would ask that others using the letter make the same amendments.

As noted by aringaut, I tried to make a little nonsense of Lord Bach's asserions regarding the meeting between the two regulatory bodies. Sir Alan showed his humour duirng the meeting so I will retain the weather comment and hope that he receives it as intended!
Ice

PS for aringaut: Thank you for your kind words, I shall remove the inverted commas from the 'ship' story as it is my own allegory!

I think the Atlantic sounds more imposing than the Irish Sea and will leave as is!

Sending now to all JC members plus Lord Bach and others.


copy to Bach

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I am very glad that you have decided to copy it to Lord Bach.


Ice - send also to David Heath?

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Suggest you send this letter also to David Heath - I found him very impressive: curiously, the other Lib-Dem on the committee, so maybe they are our best hope for support?

His address : SCOTTA(?)parliament [dot] uk

(Alex Scott is also 'out of office' until Monday, so no reply as yet)


Brilliant Ice ...

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It's superb - your 'way with words' far outstrips mine and says it all. I would change nothing.

I'm glad you picked up on the "where appropriate" bit. I too had noted that down, but decided to limit my own text to two main points. For those who haven't seen the video, when questioned by the chairman on the role of the Justice Ministry Lord Bach said "We represent the interests of the IoM where it is appropriate to do so". So who decided - and on what grounds - that in this case it was inappropriate? Incredible! Even worse, he seemed not even to know the outcome of the Treasury's discussions with Iceland and the IMF.

Indeed, he seemed pretty unsure about lots of things and - as you say - kept looking for confirmation to the colleague on his left.

Where did did get the quotation at the "We have been set adrift ...."? (If not a quotation, why is it in ' ' ?)

We need to strike while the iron's hot - I would send it today so that Alan Beith may read it on Monday for a good start to the week.


Icecrusher - Brilliant

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A masterpiece, well done. Summarizes the facts, our position and the need for resolution.


Request for Sir Alan Beith's email address

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Thanks for this template IceCrusher. Good letter and certainly helps put the case across.

What email address shall we send it to.

Thanks so much.
Flower


address for Alan Beith

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The address on the website is MILLSC(?)parliament [dot] uk

I got the following automated reply from that address yesterday:
Thanks for your email. I am currently out of the office but will be back on Monday 15 December 2008. if your email is urgent, please re-send it to cheesemang(?)parliament [dot] uk.

So I resent to the latter address and got the reply posted above today.

So we should try to email before Monday to give Alan something to get his teeth into on his return!


Link broken use this one...for Justice Committee 10th Dec

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Justice SC Video

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I'm having no luck watching this on any the of the links is there anyone who can put it up on the Youtube link?


BC - justice video

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I don't know what problem you have with the video, but I too thought it didn't work until someone told me you had to wait 2 or 3 minutes after the initial sound test beeps for the image to appear and the actual session to begin. So, IF you have the sound checks (room 16 repeated several times with beeps), then just hang on and it WILL start.


WOW! we need a Press Release on this !

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We need a concise Press Release to spell out Lord Bach's serious & misleading misrepresentations of the facts evident here ! A copy should be sent to the Politics Show & Panorama.

Later 02.50 hrs: our PR Core member sleeplessnight is having another sleepless night getting a Press Release done pronto!! That's real commitment & dedication -- thank you sleeplessnight!


Lord Bach was asked the

  • expatfrance1
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Lord Bach was asked the following question by David Heath MP:-

You are then entirely satisfied that the interests of not only the banking sector in both the Isle of Man and Guernsey but also those who deposited monies with the banks in those countries were safe guarded from the first point of action of the Treasury in freezing the assets of the Icelandic banks and since, and that those depositors interest are now safe guarded in so far as any depositors interests are safe guarded in the United Kingdom?

Lord Bach's reply was:-

Yes I am.


Lord Bach - Explanation requested

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What a disgrace. I have just written asking for his explanation / justification. Suggest all do likewise, this is completely unacceptable.


email to Alain Beith +

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I have sent the following email to Alan Beith and similar to David Heath (seated far left of the chairman) who I felt asked particularly penetrating questions (with no very satisfactory answers!) - turns out he is also a Lib Dem and under Secretary for Justice (SCOTTA(?)parliament [dot] uk ).

Dear Sir,

As a British citizen and distressed depositor with KSFIOM, I am moved to write to thank you and your colleagues on the Justice Committee for your handling of yesterday's meeting with Lord Bach and his assistants. I was extremely impressed by the penetrating and insightful nature of the questions put by yourself and several other members of the committee. I was however far from satisfied with many of the responses.

You appear to believe, as I do, that - whatever the strict legal situation - there has been a serious breach of natural justice in this case. As you know, the IOM court hearing for liquidation of KSFIOM has been adjourned until 29th January to allow further discussion and exploration of ways and means to salvage the bank and our savings. There is therefore still time for HMG to recognise their role in precipitating the collapse of KSFIOM and to act accordingly to allow a fair and just solution for the many law-abiding and tax-paying British citizens facing the loss of their life-savings in this fiasco - that justice is done and seen to be done. I sincerely hope you will continue to pursue this issue vigorously on our behalf before it is too late.

As you suggested, and despite Lord Bach's firm denials, there would indeed appear to be a clear conflict of interest between his department and the Treasury. The fact, which I had not fully appreciated before, that the MJ - whose role it is to represent the interests of the Crown Dependencies in international matters - has "not taken a leading role" in negotiations with Iceland in connection with the IMF loan and that in this instance the interests of the IOM have been represented by the Treasury. If that does not constitute abdicating responsability (as suggested by one committee member), I'm not sure what does. Even more unbelievable is the fact that Lord Bach is apparently unsure of the outcome, if any, of these critical negotiations, but understands that the conditions for the IMF loan are "still under discussion". How can that possibly be the case when the loan has already been agreed and announced? Given that conditions have been imposed on Iceland with respect to Kaupthing's UK subsidiary, it seems clear that the MJ did not fulfil their role and that the IOM has been sold down the river by a British government supposed to represent them.

Perhaps the most illuminating response came at the end of the session. In response to a clear and direct question by Mr Heath, Lord Bach finally asserted that he was "entirely satisfied" that the interests of UK depositors in the IOM bank (KSFIOM) had been and were now safeguarded in as much as others in the UK. If this is the case, maybe he can now inform us how and when we will recover 100% of our deposits, in line with UK depositors. Sadly, I fear it is not the case. To state that this cannot happen because the no depositors can be treated preferentially is a travesty of the facts; UK retail depositors WERE treated prefentially at the outset, when they were paid out in full by the FSCS who then (and only then) replaced them as a creditor (with, incidentally, so much voting power that they could prevent KSFIOM - by far the second largest creditor of KSFUK - from gaining a seat of the liquidation committee).

Thank you once again for your interest and support in this matter, which are greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
xxx


on Lord Back statements

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I think you should press harder on the misstatement by Lord Bach in respect of the protection of the interests of the IoM depositors.

If it were me I would write a further letter on the single issue of that statement being manifestly incorrect and set out very briefly the evidence that refutes the statement. There is no need for you to supply a reason for Lord Bach having made an incorrect statement; merely the facts that refute the statement.

I would then send the letter to the same two Justice Committee members, with a copy to Lord Bach. The last is important, as Bach will then have to decide whether to refute your statements or keep quiet.


elgee - why don't you do it ?

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What is to stop you from doing what you advocate here ?
You write & post a copy for the Forum


pressing - on Bach

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I have some more pressing depositors issues to attend to first. After that, if that's okay with you.


Elgee, its a fair call

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Come on Elgee,you are more than capable of doing this for the forum
Regards,
Mark


Elgee, its a fair call

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You're right, I am only spending an average of 25 hours per week on depositors issues. I must try harder.


elgee - you could find 15 minutes to do this

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Come off it elgee -- you asked to be accepted back as a Core member but now you tell members you spend more time with depositors' issues so have no time to do what members expect of you ! Surely you could find 15 minutes to draft a letter instead of writing about your Christmas song -- or don't you think it is that important an issue ?


Lucky Jim

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Lucky Jim,

Thanks for recently listing the 21 "core people"

If Elgee is the only one there (apart from ng - website) who's a small saver (not an inflighter, bond-holder, or large lumper) then maybe that explains why he's busy ??


TOTAL APATHY!

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Can not believe the apathy and general acceptance that has crept into this website. It might be Xmas but this is the time that we should be pressing those responsible. They are all still getting paid out of OUR money and having a laugh over their Xmas drinks at our expense.
We should be phoning these numbers and finding out what is happening because it appears that nothing is and it has all been swept under the carpet. Come January the cry will be that there is little £ but they tried their best. Well the fact is that they have not. Start phoning:

KSF Directors:
Mr Cashen +441624832531
Mr Gelling +441624823482

FSC:
Mr Aspden +441624689300
Mr Weldon+441624689318/+441624612326

Iom Treasury
Mr Shimmin +441624685586/+447624433094(mobile)


elgee - you could find 15 minutes to do this

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Perhaps you could do it, as you evidently have the time to make idle postings.
I am presently dealing with an more pressing matter.


One possible explanation

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One possible explanation follows:-

The term is "mengadu domba". It's a way of getting people to "need" you - a little snippet and a suggestion so that the venerable readers will swoon and beg for assistance.
Some people thrive on "being needed", just as others thrive on vexatious litigation to get the attention they can't ordinarily get in every day life.

Actually I am surprised the Elgee had to ask to be accepted back as a core member, I would have thought you would all have been begging him.

Feel free to delete this (as I know you will in anycase) if you feel that I may lay myself open to a writ............


I wonder why you think your comment should be deleted ?

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Hi Cap'n --- due to the splitting of the Forum into two I am temporarily unable to moderate because of a technical hitch! That said, I can't see that you have said anything to justify your comment being cut....


Thanks Jim - I think that's

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Thanks Jim - I think that's all pretty clear, at least as far as I can see.


Lord Bach letter ?

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Thanks Elgee. Probably a good idea, but I think the point would be stronger coming from an IOM depositor in the UK. Can anyone undertake to do this?


Anrigaut

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Well done indeed Anrigaut! (don't know why but I always think of you as a woman, like I imagine Cottesmore to be a man)
I'm not UK so can't join on this one but I think it's a great move, thanks.
And I wrote so nicely to Lord Bach, how he disappoints me!


Martin H

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Don't know about Cottesmore - but you're right about me! Also, not actually Uk either - but so what? Not forbidden is it?


anrigaut, You certainly have

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anrigaut,
You certainly have a way with words my friend! Very well put - I should make a point of inviting others to use it too!
Ice


Words ...

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Maybe - when I set my mind to it! Not rapid, but something I know I was valued for at work.
I also adopted a few phrases/words from previous posts - like "breach of natural justice" (really liked that one) and "insightful".
It took me a while to get around to writing much because I know (or knew) little about finance, law etc. There's a steep learning curve though! But I have the feeling this latest event is an important one and really beginning to crystallize things. Just hope they can keep it up and push for us ...


anrigaut, very good letter if

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anrigaut, very good letter if I may say so, well done.


Justice Committee meeting -all DAGs listen !!

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Please all DAG memebers listen to this - its very insightful


Alan Beith has surgery on Sat in Berwick upon Tweed

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Anybody in Beith's constituency? He has surgery this Saturday. Please go if you're close by. He seems to understand our case.

SATURDAY 13 DECEMBER 2008 - Citizens Advice Bureau, 5 Tweed Street, BERWICK-UPON-TWEED 10.30 - 11.30 a.m.


Justice Committee meeting -all DAGs listen !!

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Please all DAG memebers listen to this - its very insightful


TRANSCRIPT ?

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Thanks expatfrance1

Access to high speed broadband to download videos is often impossible or very difficult and expensive in Africa.

If anyone can find and post a transcript of the JC meeting, it would be most appreceiated.

Cheers


TRANSCRIPT ?

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Thanks expatfrance1

Access to high speed broadband to download videos is often impossible or very difficult and expensive in Africa.

If anyone can find and post a transcript of the JC meeting, it would be most appreceiated.

Cheers


Transcript?

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Hello mikepapa, according to this (below) there will be a transcript available within 5 days...................................................

Press notice No. 54 of Session 2007-08

26 November 2008 / For Immediate Release

ANNOUNCEMENT OF EVIDENCE SESSION

(1) Legal aid reform (follow up) and (2) Crown Dependencies

The Committee will hold a one-off evidence session on (1) Legal aid reform (follow up) and (2) Crown Dependencies

Details of the oral evidence session are as follows:

Wednesday 10 December in Committee Room 16.

At 10.30 am: Lord Bach, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Justice

A transcript of the session will be available (within 5 days) on the Reports and Publications page of the Committee's website: www.parliament.uk/justicecom/

Notes:
1. Committee membership is as follows: Rt Hon Sir Alan Beith MP (Chairman), Mr David Heath MP, Siân James MP, Daniel Kawczynski MP, Jessica Morden MP, Julie Morgan MP, Rt Hon Alun Michael MP, Robert Neill MP, Dr Nick Palmer MP, Linda Riordan MP, Virendra Sharma MP, Mr Andrew Turner MP, Mr Andrew Tyrie MP and Dr Alan Whitehead MP

  1. The transcripts of previous evidence sessions can be found at on the Committee's website at www.parliament.uk/justicecom

Further Information:
Media Enquiries: Jessica Bridges Palmer (020 7219 0724) email: bridgespalmerj(?)parliament [dot] uk; Clare Mills (07795 662742);

Specific Committee Information: Tel 020 7219 8196/ 8198, email: justicecom(?)parliament [dot] uk

Committee Website: www.parliament.uk/justicecom

Watch committees and parliamentary debates online: www.parliamentlive.tv

Select Committee Calendar: www.parliament.uk/what_s_on/hoc_news3.cfm

Publications / Reports / Reference Material: Copies of all select committee reports are available from the Parliamentary Bookshop (12 Bridge St, Westminster, 020 7219 3890) or the Stationery Office (0845 7023474). Committee reports, press releases, evidence transcripts, Bills; research papers,


Many thanks C_SA Will check

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Many thanks C_SA

Will check for transcript over the next few days.

Cheers


Justice meeting

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Following a few expletives being vented at the player as Lord justice played with some uncomfortable words for him and HMG , this has got to be the best piece of cooperative information that has been reported yet from the cross examiners to our cause, from top level reporting. Especially the last statement that said even possibly unintentionally that IOM depositors would be safeguarded as the Uk savers in crown dependency banks.
Not sure if the Legal team advisors should watch this to glean any usefull info.


We're not a dying entity

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I think that the video shows that our case is definitely not a dying entity. There are people out there who want justice served. I'm sure that the legal team will have lots to chew on when watching this.

So here's my question.. If there were discussions between UK and IOM Treasury last spring about the incertitude of Icelandic banks, why didn't the UK Treasury discuss with IOM that it was shutting the doors of Kaupthing London on 8 October with the IOM's money inside their vaults.? At that time, before the FSA moved EDGE to ING, IOM was the largest creditor. Didn't the UK Treasury (and all its other conspirators) remember those previous discussions, or that there was quite a bit of IOM dosh in the vault? We're talking about two governments here, who should have been working in tandem for the safety of depositors. The UK definitely did a very DIRTY trick on IOM and BULLIED them all the way to the bank! (pardon the pun!)
The only consolation that I have in all this, is that I am sooo glad that I no longer live in UK.


swiss, it has over the past

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swiss, it has over the past two months occurred to me that your point about the UK bullying the IoM is is in fact the case. I find it increasingly difficult to accept that the FSCA did not coerce the FSC into placing the money in London, if you go back many weeks to John Aspden's (FSC) IoM Today radio interview, that seems to be what he is saying. HIs 'it seemed like a good idea at the time" comment still grates with me!!

This might be of use in dissecting this incident as it is pretty clear that there was considerable communication between the FSC and the FSA prior to 8th.October,2008.

In addition to what Lord Adair Turner had to say to the Treasury Select Committee,Economic Secretary to HM Treasury Ian Pearson's reply to Mary Creagh's Adjournment debate makesit clear that there was dialogue:
Hansard 6 Nov:Column 468 Ian Pearson....'Before 8th.October,KSF Isle of Man had taken to depositing funds with KSF UK, a practice that resulted from concerns that the Isle of Man authorities had about the position of KSF Isle of Man's parent company in Iceland. That is to say,KSF Isle of Man appears to have determined that placing money with the sister company was more prudent than placing it directly with the parent in Iceland.
I understand that this action was taken following discussions with the FSA in which certain aspects of the regime applied by the FSA to KSF UK were described.
I want to say clearly that my information is that the FSA did not advise or require these deposits to be made. Furthermore, I understand that those discussions did not extend to the giving of any specific assurances by the FSA-for example, that KSF UK would be able to repay the money,or that KSF Isle of Man would be treated preferentially in the case of insolvency. And at all times, the supervision of KSF Ilse of Man remained the responsibility of the Isle of Man Authorities. The FSA had no power over it.
My understanding is that KSF Isle of Man had=2 0some £532 million of deposits in KSF UK, and can be expected to recover a proportion of this from the insolvency process. It is my view that,given the lack of clarity that remains about the winding up of KSF in Iceland, depositors of KSF Isle of Man are likely to be better off than if those sums had been deposited with the parent company.
However,under UK solvency law,KSF Isle of Man ranks like any other creditor of KSF. KSF Isle of Man will have been fully aware of this. It could have chosen to put it's money elsewhere.
Indeed,KSF Isle of Man was only one of a number of depositors with KSF UK that was not protected by the UK Financial Services Compensation Scheme. Other depositors included local auhorities, building societies and charities.
The FSA could not have given KSF Isle of Man advance warning of events, any more than it could have done so for other parties, as to have done so would have been highly inappropriate.'

The question is what passed between the FSA and the FSC to lead Isle of Man officials and politicians to think that somehow our money was 'ring fenced' in London ? Because that is also something that has puzzled me for many weeks now.


Justice Committee Meeting - This Seems Really Really Important

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Thank you for posting this. This seems to be really, really important – something we all should most definitely watch. The questions being asked seem to be exactly the (searching and challenging) ones we would hope to have answers to – with regard to the conflict of interest for the UK treasury in representing the UK and the Crown Dependencies, for example; whether the Ministry of Justice was consulted before the freezing of assets took place; whether consultations took place in May 2008 between the IoM and the UK regulators; and, especially, what the role of the Ministry of Justice is, and what their actions have been, regarding the Isle of Man.

It was heartening to hear the questioners, but not heartening at all to hear the Ministry of Justice responses…

I managed to get the link, but it keeps stopping and rebuffering after each couple of seconds, so it is pretty difficult to view/listen – and takes ages!! Can anyone tell me please: Is there another link available? Is there a transcript available anywhere? Who (what body) set up this meeting? Who are the questioners, apart from Alan Beith? (I have looked on the Parliament site, but in vain.)

Yes, what action can we take on this? Any other people/bodies to contact apart from Alan Beith?


FSC & FSA Discussions

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These discussions and why the IOM still keeps hinting at some trust relationship concerning our money in KSFUK (last time in Court by the Attorney General IOM), also puzzles me.

We can forget the FSA or UK Treasury divulging any damanging details. Our only hope is for the IOM Gov't/FSC disclosing the basis for this. Routes to achieve this might include further questions in Tynwold, The Finance Select Ctte calling/inviting IOM Gov't officials (can they do this?) or the IOM just getting some balls and disclosing this of their own accord.


Here is a link to the Justice

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Here is a link to the Justice committee web site. It lists details of all the members of this committee.

May be worth e-mailing all of them thanking then for their efforts yesterday and providing them with more information.

http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/justice.cfm

One thing I have highlighted in an e-mail to Alan Beith is that Lord Bath stated that all creditors to KSF UK were being handled under standard insolvancy rules. This is not true. The Treasury have tol E&Y that their initial priority is the transfer of retail depositors to ING thus disadvantaging other creditors. The Administrators have also been told that they are unable to transfer funds to any other Kaupthing entity, (IOM), without the authority of the Treasury.

These are NOT normal insolvancy rules.


Lord Bach of Lutterworth,

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Lord Bach of Lutterworth, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice.


Sorry can't get this link either..

  • sabi Star
  • 10/10/08 n/a (free)
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  • Thu, 11/12/2008 - 11:36

Is this something important?


JC meeting - can't get it

  • anrigaut
  • 19/10/08 30/10/09
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  • Thu, 11/12/2008 - 11:28

This sounds fascinating. But all I get on this link is a few seconds of chit chat followed by "Committee Room, sound" and a long blip, repeated ad infinitum!

Maybe I don't have the right player, but nothing seems to be proposed. I'm on Mac and this opens automatically in Flip4Mac WMV. I've had no problems with other videos on our site.

Can anyone help?


Video problem (on a Mac)

  • romasanta
  • 16/10/08 02/10/10
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  • Fri, 12/12/2008 - 01:34

anrigaut: I have a Mac too. I also found it runs better with better overall quality on QT - once you have got the link to produce the video rectangle, click on the bottom right to select make a QT copy (or similar) - it then runs OK from the copy.


Should open OK. Video starts

  • expatfrance1
  • 15/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 11/12/2008 - 11:58

Should open OK. Video starts after about 1 minute.