IT DONATIONS

  • cottesmore
  • 21/10/08 16/07/12
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Posted: Thu, 05/02/2009 - 07:42

It has come as quite a shock to me that out of 2372 members on this forum, only 19 of us contributed to the upkeep of this site in January.Many of you claim it's your 'lifeline' yet, are not prepared to contribute to its upkeep.Even just a few pounds make a difference.Dont just leave it to the same few all the time.DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT NOW AND REINSTALL MY FAITH IN YOU ALL!

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A suggestion for ng ....

  • go mann
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sat, 07/03/2009 - 11:39

See what happens to IT donations after you shut the site down for 2 days for "maintenance" ;-)


IT donations

  • homeless
  • 18/10/08 01/01/16
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  • Mon, 09/03/2009 - 04:20

It is unbelievable that so few of us donated to the IT fund in January.

Ng has put every ounce of his energies into this and we should all be extremely grateful to him.

The best way of showing our gratitude is by committing to the quarterly payments. The financial situation of some will make it difficult but we should be able to do something. It is a small price to pay for something which is so valuable to us all.

Where would we be if we couldn't communicate with each other ?


Good grief! No donations

  • go mann
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  • Wed, 18/02/2009 - 19:58

Good grief! No donations recorded for a week?

Sorry, both my computer and I have been sick ....


IT Donation

  • Yogi
  • 18/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 08/02/2009 - 17:14

Hi Ng,

Thanks for your continuing work (and to everyone else behind the scenes). We have finally contributed to the IT fund. Thanks also to Cottesmore for the prick of conscience (NOT meant rudely!!) sorry it took that to make us get our fingers out!


Thanks Yogi ... Cotts and I

  • go mann
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  • Sun, 08/02/2009 - 17:34

Thanks Yogi ... Cotts and I work in different ways, but it's the end result that matters!

NOW ... what about the rest of the 2,000 assorted people who use the facility and don't give a damn as long as it's free? ;-)

{I thought I'd try a different approach to begging, just for a change]


Cough Spare a few quid? Keep

  • go mann
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  • Sat, 07/02/2009 - 10:54

Cough

Spare a few quid? Keep the lifeboat afloat?

Cough


IT Donations

  • lifesavings
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 21:40

Hi. I haven´t donated yet, but said I would. I haven´t got and do not want a Paypal account. Is there any other way to pay. I have an account with a bank (ha ha!) in the Isle of Man. The administrators of this site can contact me via my email if necessary so I can get some funds through. Thanks to you for all your hard work and determination.


Please don't give ng more

  • go mann
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  • Fri, 06/02/2009 - 17:25

Please don't give ng more work by doing it through a bank.

PayPal is painless and efficient ... in fact I've used it 4 times today doing on-line shopping and donating to Appeals.

It's safe [https:] as well.

Go on - dip a toe in the water ;-)


Good call on donations

  • BobWashington
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 14:50

Good call from cottesmore. Just donated using Paypal. Greater transparency on the funds needed for IT might persuade more people to donate. Many thanks to ng and others for providing this essential lifeline. Agree that a mechanism for making regular donations should be set up.


Try the other IT donations topic for further detail

  • coldlightofday
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 14:25

It's all Cottesmore's fault

  • go mann
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 14:48

It's all Cottesmore's fault for starting a new thread on the same topic ;-) ;-)

On a serious note, I've emailed ng and asked him to review and respond.

I'm just the guy who wanders around rattling the collection plate / begging bowl.


go mann

  • cottesmore
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 15:05

Obviously the other thread wasn't 'working'.I left comment on that thread as well :-)

Shake the tin harder and louder!

Get ready for my next bitch session regarding legal fees!


I spend much of my time

  • go mann
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 15:36

I spend much of my time [seriously] "tin rattling" on the Internet. It's VERY easy to pi66 people off - just like the street collectors who stick the tin in your face!

http://www.sgtslingsby.org/who-we-help/holidays-4-heroes


go mann

  • cottesmore
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 17:20

I couldn't agree more about pissing people off with tin rattling under there nose's.But it usually pisses people off because, in a lot of cases,people haven't got a clue what they are contributing for.This is most certainly NOT the case here.Everyone knows that this money is needed to supply the 'service' they expect and receive!
A totally different situation,i'm sure everyone would agree.So,i repeat,if you can, do the right thing and send some money now.


Cottes,, go mann is the main

  • skintagainnow
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 17:38

Cottes,, go mann is the main man for organising these things and is the collector of the web site taxes :-)


skintagainnow

  • cottesmore
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 17:43

I am aware of that.But it is time for those that can,to step up to the plate and chuck some cash on it!
Anyway,i've said enough on the subject.It's time to climb down from my moral high ground, before i get 'pushed.'


IT Donations - how?

  • caledonia
  • 14/10/08 30/09/09
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 14:14

You are quite right and I feel ashamed I havn't donated recently. Have found how to contribute to Legal, but lost how to donate to NG - I know there is a link somewhere, but where? Will do it straight away.


Donations

  • merlina
  • 26/01/09 01/06/09
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 13:58

To which bank ?


IT & Legal funding/donations

  • Jean-Charles Marlier
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 13:42

Regarding this very subject,I have sent for the 3rd time, some donations,the first one was on the 17/11/08,then on the18/12/08,and the latest one on the 2/2/09
On my last funding,I wrote a short request,addressed to the Legal "DAG"saying that,I wasen't looking for thanks,but that at least,donators should get an aknowledgment confirming that monies have been received;
I did not get any reply from them.
Well,I am sorry,but,I do think that there should be a way of getting this important information,I have no ideas,if the money I have sent on those 3 occasions have been received,and,I would be very grateful for any one to let me know the answer to my query.
Thanks,
J-Ch/M
By the way,on my last donation,I specifically stated that part of that money was for the maintenance of the IT website....


Donations

  • shafted
  • 10/10/08 12/12/09
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 19:33

I aggree with you Jean , i have sent 55 Euro to NG account in Jan and 100 to legal recently, plus two previous times and i do not know they reached the accounts although my bank acc was debited ,from the recent call for subs i had a double take to think when i paid, was it recently? i checked and it was, but there should be an acknolegement of somekind


J-Ch/M

  • cottesmore
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 13:49

i totally agree that we should have aknowledgement of funds.It should also be made clear regularly,how much is in the 'pot' and how much is raised.


IT/legal donations

  • Jean-Charles Marlier
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  • Fri, 06/02/2009 - 08:57

I am glad you agree with me Cottesmore.I actually do not put the blame on anybody,but trying to suggest a way of knowing if donators monies are being received,quite a natural expectation.Incidently,I have more than trebled the amount I first sent,and I am ready as mentionned when I sent my last donation,to send more as needed,but some form of acknowlegment should be the norm.
J-Ch/M


Need to set a monthly , Fixed Fee / donation

  • steelwood
  • 24/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 12:42

THere are more than 2000 members , so if every body just contribute £5.00 it will add up a an amount of 2000 x 5.00= 10,000.00. This amount will be good to run this website which is belong to every memember. IT is suggested that the following steps to be taken immediately.

Send e mails to all registered members to as reminder to start contribute the monthly fixed Fee / contribution regularly every month.
Account to be publised and updated regularly to show that who has contributed and who do not.
NO fee for the none depositor,s visitors.
Irregular contributions by a very few memebers will not help and create financial hardship to maintain the site.
All contributions must be paid during the first week of each month.


Donations / contributions

  • steelwood
  • 24/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 16:11

If my posting was a reason for hurting some peoples , I am very sorry for that and aplogy for that, the suggestion was given only due to the reason to try and regularise donations as the IT administrators feeling hardship and this was not possible to solve it by a few donators.
And I am not an organiser or authority to inforce any thing, I am simply a despirate depositor like any body else.
So things should go as was before, any body who can afford donate in a effort to keep the ball going.


It's only the Internet.

  • go mann
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 17:35

It's only the Internet. Don't worry.

With all the problems the DAG are having, and obviously concentrating on all the time, it's just too easy to forget the mechanics of how we can all come together here.

The IT tin-rattling is my self-appointed job; it could be done better, but that would take even more of ng's precious time.

Take care out there ;-)


re - Need to set a monthly , Fixed Fee / donation

  • skintagainnow
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 13:57

Steelwod, only one problem, there are some of us who relied solely on their deposits for income capital and interest. My own situation on opening the account the account in September everything bar a few hundred was transferred over - 4 months down the line - no income, no money. Ok it is my problem, but I'll not apply for the hardship payment as I don't like the terms attached to it, although I may have no choice shortly.

I did contribute to the first call for legal funds - but just can't anymore, I can't adequately explain how I feel about not being able to contribute but have apologised to ng.

The calls for subscription based payments for ng, legal and other expenses - yes great idea but does add to the feelings of guilt and despondancy to those of us who simply do not have the means at this present time for even these what would normally be token paymements.


skintagainnow

  • cottesmore
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 14:06

I think its a 'given' that we have some members who are in no position to make any contributions.This is the reason, in my case,why i contribute more.This is not to make anyone feel embarrassed by their circumstances.It is only for those who CAN afford to contribute that dont, who i am 'targeting.' It's only those individuals who can determine that they should feel embarrassed or not.


IT Donations

  • grobbers
  • 11/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 13:17

I would be more than willing to make further contributions but am reluctant to set up a PAYPAL account. I did start the process and then broke it off, however I am already receiving spam stating " there are unusual payments on my account" even though I did not complete the process and have obviously never used the site.

For me it would be much better if there was a UK bank account to which I could set up a standing order. Yes - even though I was not allowed to set up a UK Building Society Account and had to do it with the Derbyshire I did have a 30 year old account with Lloyds which I have been allowed to continue with !!

Can this issue please be looked at so that I for one can make further contributions.

Regards


IT donations

  • wood
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 20:41

I have a long-standing UK bank account too. I have twice made contributions to the legal fund from it by bank transfer in UK but am unable to contribute to the IT fund without a UK account to make a transfer into. Any solution, ng?


I empathise with this

  • Carol Mathers
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 14:10

I empathise with this comment. I have stated my sincere willingness to pay but like you, I aborted the Paypal application half way through. I offered to send a cheque and was told it would be no use to someone living in Australia. It is difficult and I think there would be many willing contributers if there was another system for payment. I for one would be relieved. I feel consumed with guilt that I have not thus far made any contribution to this site which I think is an indispensable resource for all of us.

Can someone on the team please consider this.


Pay pal

  • shafted
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 20:12

I agree pay pal is a pain even when you have got an acc like me, i have not used for a while and have forgotten my pass word etc, i am lucky to have a euro acc as well as a sterling, perhaps poeple could pay into an acc linked to the legal pot using a sort code and acc no and or iban or swift then this could be relayed back to ng`s acc by the bank, exchange rate charges would be payable obviously but would it make it easier for poeple to pay therefore increasing the funds?


ng or Go Mann

  • cottesmore
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 14:15

Over to you guys to sort this out!!
If people want to give you money, then take it and make them feel good as well!


funding for IT and leagal needs

  • Jerome.broke-in...
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 12:21

I am happy to send the ammounts I can.

I have done so in the past.

However I feel that there needs to be some much easy way to let us know how much is needed and how much of that has been collected. It is also vital that the information is kept current at least on a weekly basis

Without this easy to find information it is easy to forget that there is a continuing need.

It would also be much easier to decide how much of the current need can be or should be afforded.


I think ng is trying to avoid

  • go mann
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 12:56

I think ng is trying to avoid "submitting an invoice" - the real figures would scare everyone!!!

I keep checking with him, and generate a reminder occasionally as necessary. So I won't let you all forget there's a need!! But it's not for me to ask you to declare publicly how much you've given, or to demand specific sums. What I do know is that we/ng need a lot more than 19 people donating [whatever] to help keep this website lifeboat operational.

What happened the first time round was that relatively few members made relatively large donations - about 60 people in total contributing about 35 pounds each on average (actual contributions varied between 20 and 100).

When ng and I discussed this a couple of weeks ago, he suggested we need 1000 people contributing a small amount; it's obvious we're not generating anywhere near that level of support.

And, to be honest, I don't think ng can carry on doing this virtually for free for very much longer.

I'm working with a charitable group on a daily basis, where the main player [self-employed] has had to forget his business, and earning money, for the last 2 weeks because of the charitable workload. ng's in a similar position, except he's also lost a very large chunk of money in KSFIOM.


comment re surplus

  • coldlightofday
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 13:24

The comment that any surplus would go to the legal fund suggested that we had been overdoing the donations
to the IT fund, I will donate now.


IT funding

  • ng
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 22:31

Sorry if I misled with that comment. Basically its my way of saying "please trust me on this" - if I end up over funded, the funds will be redirected to legal. Right now, the situation is ok in that I can justify spending the time I spend on DAG IT stuff, without having to worry about how to pay the rent next month, neither over-funded nor under-funded. The ongoing question for me is, should I be looking for a full-time job or contract to start next month, and if I do that what will happen here? It's a bloody pain to be honest, and I meant what I said in the other thread - anybody who believes they have the time, experience and integrity to take this on, please talk to me! In the meantime, DAG has a pretty damn good IT department (even if I say so myself) and it will continue that way so long as I can afford to - that's my commitment to everybody.

Some IT money also goes to stef - there's no formal arrangement there - his standard rate is 40 GBP/hour, meaning that by now I owe him a couple of grand! But he has said many times that he doesn't mind helping out for free.


Cottesmore, I'm grateful for

  • go mann
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 09:35

Cottesmore, I'm grateful for your additional reminder!

I know that ng tries to play it down, but I'm unwilling to let him submerge!!

And thanks to all who have donated!


Another donation

  • webrooster
  • 12/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 09:08

Just sent mine, thanks again NG for all your sterling work!


Donation

  • Mandy_Italy
  • 13/10/08 31/03/10
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 08:26

Just sent my donation


Just Donated

  • thaichris
  • 02/11/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 08:11

Hi

Thanks for the reminder

Just donated

Should have done it before

Thanks for all the groups efforts


Donation sent

  • caledonia
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  • Thu, 05/02/2009 - 14:36

Yes, many thanks for reminder. Mine has just been sent by Paypal and happy to send more as and when I can.