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Posted: Thu, 18/06/2009 - 15:36

There aint no faries. If you are waiting for a fairy Godmother to drop your money in your lap, then I have news for you. THERE AINT NO FAIRIES!! Lucky Jim put up a post calling for ideas to make their pips squeek. Guess what? None of you could summon up enough interest in your money to put forward any ideas. Here is my second idea. You don't have to agree with it, you may think it is daft, but what you are asked to do is come up with an idea of your own. People in Iran didn't need someone to motivate them. They just went out and did it. Start your own snail mail revolution. Get an envelope, type or write on it this address, Tynwald Court, Douglas, Isle of Man , British Isles. Stick a stamp on it and pop it in the post. What could be simpler, you don't even have to include a letter but if you want to be scathing you can. If you do several, something like 6 thousand letters could arrive at the Tynwald by the 6th July, sort of gumming up the works, wouldn't you say? We could do this to arrive by the 6th of every month.

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Tynwald Day 6th July

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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 20:14


so nobody could come up with any ideas and we are ALL prepared to say goodbye to many, many years of hard earned savings. HERE ARE MY IDEAS

1) Tynwald Day IS A PUBLIC HOLIDAYon the IOM. It is a special ceremonial occasion on which all new legislation is read out to the assembled multitude in the Manx language. It is quite often attended by a member of the Royal Family. All members of Tynwald are in attendance!!!!!!!!!

Go to www.isleofman.com/Finance/Parliament/tynwald.aspx

Scroll down to the heading The Midsummer Court and in line 10 of the first paragraph you will find and I quote......."It is also the occasion on which the ancient right to petition Tynwald with individual grievances is exercised and each year several such petitions are made and, if considered justified, investigated by a select committee of Tynwald"

These things probably take time. May have to be presented by a Manx resident........I don't know BUT OUR MANX ADVOCATE SHOULD KNOW.


I'm sorry this idea is late but it would, I believe give us great publicity.

2) Another website is www.gov.im/isleofman/tynwaldday.xml

If you want to demonstrate (and no doubt get arrested) read all about it.

Initially I just typed in........tynwald open air ceremony.......and accessed many websites about Tynwald.

As to your second idea why don't we just tell every member of Tynwald we will use every tool at our disposal to ruin the Island financially as the IOM is doing its damned best to ruin us. We have members all over the world with access to local and national businesses and media and all our amunition is already out in the public domain.

Hope this helps

petition for redress of a grievance

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  • Sun, 21/06/2009 - 06:47

I got in touch with the Tynewald information service and they told me you cannot send a letter on this subject to the Tynewald. You have to make an appointment to see the Clerk of the Tynwald and he will advise you on the text of your petition. I live in France. And by the way he is off the island at the moment.

Have you written your envelopes to the Tynewald yet? I hope for 6,000 letters to descend on them and they will have to open them all.

Envelope to Tynewald

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  • Sun, 21/06/2009 - 08:40

Rather than send an empty envelope I quite liked your slogan - Life is a bitch and then you bank with Kaupthing, so I stuck that in.

@envelope to Tynwald

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  • Sun, 21/06/2009 - 15:02



  1. No bank of last resort

  2. An island population unable to support a financial centre this size.

  3. No representation for depositors who bank there – no vote no hope

Onslought of envelopes to the Tynewald

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  • Mon, 22/06/2009 - 07:45

Wonderful!! I would like to see this printed on leaflets and employ someone for a few days to hand out to businessmen exiting the tube stations.. Is there someone in London could organise that and find out the cost?

Midsummer Court

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  • Sun, 21/06/2009 - 05:24

Hi there,
I have just written to The Clerk of The Court and to Sian Cowper at Manx Radio saying:

"I am an agrieved person and I want to claim my right to present my grievances to The Midsummer Court on July 5th"
How do I do it?"

Lets see if they reply.

petition for redress of a grievance

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  • Sun, 21/06/2009 - 06:50

See my comments above.

Have you written your envelopes to the Tynwald yet? I am hoping for 6,000 letters to descend on them and they will have to open them all. Bring their business to a halt I think?

Midsummer Court

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  • Sun, 21/06/2009 - 06:11

I too have written to the Clerk of the Court informing him I wish to air my grievances to the Midsummer Court.

I dont think we have a Manx Advocate

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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 22:29

I dont think that we have a Manx advocate anymore .

Our Former advocate John Wright was last heard of calling us greedy depositors on the Manx forums.

However it and the 6th July thing still a good idea.

Re threatening ruining the Islands reputation - someone already did this and Bishop Soder called the cops in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

@ bellyup...The IoM is doing a good job.....

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  • Tue, 23/06/2009 - 07:26

The IoM is already doing a good job at ruining its reputation. All we would be doing is helping it to do it better.

Soder calling the cops

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  • Sun, 21/06/2009 - 08:44

Did he call on Detective Sergeant Shimmin ? Father, brother or uncle to Baby Shimmin.


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  • Sun, 21/06/2009 - 06:56

Have you written your envelopes to the Tynwald yet? I hope for 6,000 to descend on them and put a stop to their business. They read these posts and must be getting worried already. Type some so they cannot identify letters from the DAG. I particularly like sending them to Allan Bell MHK. We can do it, yes we can.


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  • Fri, 19/06/2009 - 21:51

how much would it cost to put a full sheet ad in a sunday paper condemning iom financial services? sunday telegraph perhaps. how can those bastards at the hm treasury say it would be imappropriate to compensate us with taxpayers money when they are beeding it dry, and i am a bloody uk taxpayer all my working life!


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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 09:09

Good idea, i would be willing to contribute to an ad in the Sunday Telegraph. It might cost a lot and we might have to compromise and half a half sheet. Why don't you contact the Sunday Telegraph and see how much it would cost? How about we have a billboard in the City of London? How about we employ a person to hand out leaflets in the city? I don't know where you get one but someone should know. I would go myself but live in the South of France. I might still go when the air fares drop.




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  • Fri, 19/06/2009 - 08:13

2 letters gone today, more tomorrow. Send also to Allan Bell MHK, Tynwald, Douglas, Isle of Man IM99 1HN. Anyone else you fancy, you can find the address on Google.

Make Their Pips Squeek

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  • Thu, 18/06/2009 - 23:09

Conned you are so right.
I suggested a few weeks ago, that we should do a French style blockade of the port at Douglas to seriously disrupt the TT races,only needed about 200 vehicles to achieve disruption.
The idea was shot down I was told ---- "why should the pleasure of the poor bikers be disrupted as they have done us no wrong" Pity IOMG didn't feel the same about our SAVINGS.
I pointed out that hundreds of thousand of commuters in London were not considered by the Tamils when for several days they bought London to a stand still,how that achieved immediate Government action and public support.
I did not get one possitive support--------------- so what the hell.
Unless there is support of at least a few hundred,you,me and Lucky Jim are banging our heads against a brick wall.
At the few meetings we had in London only about 25turned up---- TSC two hearings + initial meeting when we went to Icelandic Embassy.This kind of number is meaningless and is in fact adverse as it appears we are apathetic and disorganised.
I am so for DIRECT action --- Tag onto the Tamil demo which is daily in Parliament Square,or a demo outside Icelandic Embassy,but it would need to be supported by at least 500 to be effective.There are 11,000 depositors this can't be difficult to put 500 of us together.
NOTHING CAN BE DONE WITHOUT REASONABLE SUPPORT, this is in every single depositors own self interest.
I have immense gratitude for the DAG, but we all needed to act to put our plight into the media and public domain.
It is not too late but we must have 100% committment from some 500 plus.
we could blockade the port at douglas,or demonstate in London we need publicity
be it good or bad.

Blockade Douglas

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  • Fri, 19/06/2009 - 08:27

Could have same effect in Liverpool and get more publicity.
Only took 50 people at no10 from christie's to get there cash back (stated on news)


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  • Fri, 19/06/2009 - 08:18

Unfortunately we all live all over the world and a lot of us are retired. Makes it difficult to get a number of people together. I sent 2 letters today to Tynwald and will send more tomorrow and next week. They will have to open them all. One is addressed to Allen Bell MHK. I will address some to other notorious figures.

copy your letters to

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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 07:57

copy your letters to www.manxforums.com ( local news)

There are 3 threads going on this re kaupthing+ IOMs future as a financial centre .


Manx people including politians read these forums - be polite - they arent -so it behoves us to act with dignity.

Then there is always Bishop Patterson

The Rt Rev Robert M E Paterson MA
Bishop's House
The Falls
Tromode Road
Isle of Man IM4 4PZ

+44 (0)16... (fax 672890)
bishop-sodor(?)iommail [dot] com

Be very polite or the good Bishop will run off to the police screaming blackmail ????
Just ask him to ask the IOMG how in conscience can they ignore people and describe the suffering and stress this is causing.

HI bellyup, you are probably pissed off with me...

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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 09:25

but it wasn't the moment, (lifes tough).

I suggest we organise AND I STRESS ORGANISE, a tag team, to take on the red necks.

WHEN??? AND WHO IS UP FOR IT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

And let`s practice before!

Respect: bellyup ( I'm actually 55 years old ......... but I can play with the best.

Let's GO!

Life's a bitch

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  • Sun, 21/06/2009 - 07:56

Life's a bitch and then you bank with Kaupthing!!!

Another slogan ?

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  • Mon, 22/06/2009 - 10:06

How about:




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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 08:49

I wonder why the Bishop would run off to the police screaming BLACKMAIL!! He is behaving as if his pants are on fire.

blockade and other French ways of getting attention

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  • Fri, 19/06/2009 - 01:51


Am French and your idea of a port blockade did appeal to me ... but from far away BKK that is not realistic for me.

How about we all go to our local UK embassy on a particular day? And for those in IoM, go to the court house.

but, behind this, to be really successful, we need someone who can get access to really big new media not just the Manx herald or IoMToday.


What would be effective?

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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 01:34

The usual ways to bring miscreants to justice involve courts, convictions, sentences, and fines. Our adversaries own the legislative house and can take the example of the UK courts to pass laws to make themselves immune from prosecution. Unfortunately, our adversaries also own the IOM courts. That leaves financial pressure.

Full-page ads in strategic media outlets can have a powerful effect, but only in the short term. They are also ruinously expensive. As many of us live at considerable distances from IOM (we are in Australia, for example), and as IOMG/T/DCS have most of our money, I suspect that the only effective means to reach the IOMG/T/DCS is the Internet. DAG and other interested people could mount a viral e-mail campaign, with the theme "I lost my life/retirement savings in the IOM", "I have been dispossessed of my life/retirement savings by IOM". The other message to be gotten across is: "Do you want to entrust your future to the IOM financial services industry?" or similar.

A single panel graphic scanned image, dramatically conveying these two messages, with a link to the DAG public site, comes to mind. If any DAG members have expertise in advertising, it would be a matter of designing a graphic panel that can be "cut-and-pasted" into an e-mail by individual DAG members.

Once the graphic panel is developed, the challenge is for individual DAG members to devote time and effort to identifying individuals to whom the e-mail should be sent. Ideally, the message and link could be sent to every person on the globe. In practice, the campaign could focus on groups of people who traditionally make use of IOM financial services: expat workers remitting to IOM, insurance company staff, and so forth. Each DAG person participating would need to identify people to whom to send the e-mail, perhaps to people working in the same sector as the KSFIOM depositor. For example, I retired from a university in the middle-East and would be able to identify a large number of university personnel to whom I would send the campaign materials. I could also e-mail business contacts made over the years. Airline staff would contact their peer group, elementary and secondary teachers would contact their group, finance and banking people their colleagues, engineering and construction people their contacts, and so forth. Once the campaign is under way, the message / link would be sent to the various media outlets. This exercise could be repeated any number of times with very little cash outlay. Now that we have little money with which to enjoy retirement, we have plenty of time available. Wars are won by the side who learns to defeat the enemy's million pound weapon with one costing a hundred pounds. A viral e-mail campaign could provide a sufficient threat to the pocket-book of IOMG / T / DCS to make a difference. I don't see that anything else has had any positive effect up through today.

Based on what we have seen so far, only the prospect that our dispossession will cost IOMG / T / DCS will serve to improve our position. We are dealing with people who are playing hard ball as though we were at a school fete. If I had the expertise to design the graphic e-mail insert, I would begin today. Anyone out there able to create this?

Our time has nearly run out.


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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 15:16

This is what I have been suggesting for months now. If we had done it then we would have probably put our case before at least a million people by now, quite probably a lot more.

My suggestion is that we all send the same email to everyone in our address book and ask them to pass it on to all their contacts. Obviously some won't but i believe enough will.

There is no need for the emai to say who is personally involved so no one can fear alerting people they haven't told already. It simply has to ask for support for the people who have suffered in this debacle.

My suggestion is that someone who understands basic graphics produces an email and then mails it to all of us to forward on. If everyone sends to just 10 people that is 25000 and i'm sure many of of us can send to 100 or more.

I'm happy to post on my facebook which has 4000 subscribers.

Also we can easily have a twitter account as well. i'm not an expert on social media by any means but there is a programme called ping that can be used to link all the media accounts (it will cost us about $300 to get someone to subscribe us to all 112 accounts and then using Ping we can post messages once and it is broadcast to all the accounts. Ongoing management of the accounts can be done for about $3-5 an hour.

e mails

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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 18:29

I am with you. Can you get it organised and tell us how to pay for it? I am willing to contribute. Have you sent your letters to the Tynwald. I need 6 thousand or thereabouts. They will have to open them all.so it should completely choke them up.

have sent

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  • Mon, 22/06/2009 - 12:01

have sent letters


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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 08:46

Good plan. Could everyone try to strong arm a friend or colleague into doing this? The internet is the way to go but I am not internet savvy.

What would be effective?

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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 11:42

I agree, this is a good plan, it was put on hold before for fear of 'upsetting' the IoM who at that time were perceived to be working in our interests; I think we've seen the light now, and that was never the case. We need to get the skills of FIGHTTHEFT onto this, she could produce the necessary graphics. Time, patience and concern with our situation is ebbing, it is time to revitalise interest with an offensive campaign using the viral email plan. I have about 400 email addresses throughout the airline industry and I know other depositors have stated even bigger numbers. We've been overly passive for too long. Fighttheft?

Squeeze the pips

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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 13:42

We tried being nice. It got us nowhere. Now it is time for the bad cop. The gloves are off. Let's squeeze those pips until they squeel.

Viral Email

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  • Sat, 20/06/2009 - 21:33

I'm happy to get quotes and so on for setting up accounts but could someone else please write the letter or at least the text for the letter as I'm not the best person to do this.


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  • Mon, 22/06/2009 - 18:20

Cost of setting up account on 32-112 social media sites (eg. twitter, facebook, squidoo etc.) is just under $10/hour - takes around 5-7hours to set up.

Maintenance of the sites again at $10/hr will be about an hour a day on average - so $50-70/week.

I'm only just learning about this myself so can't really explain it well but the idea is that after setting up all the sites the person doing it will post messages every day or so which will take the following form:

some will be updates on what is happening with the liquidation
some will be goodwill messages - ie just saying the suns out today makes us all feel more positive about a good outcome
some will be quotes - suggestions welcome. anything just to keep people interested and following our story
some can be comments about treasury, IOM etc. etc. Anything goes really.
some will be messages addressed to specific people. The idea being that if you send a message to someone important (eg we could search out bankers, well known journalists etc.) then other followers will be impressed and take you more seriously.
occasionally there will be links to sites that might interest people - eg newspapers that have printed articles about us, new depositors sites that i've heard mention of from DAG's recent message, people who are friendly or can help/support us.
All messages less than 160 characters.
Lots of links to our website.

It has to stay interesting to get people following that's the most important thing. The more interesting it is the more people will join the cause. I'm sure there are members who know a lot more about this than me and can evaluate how useful it will be but I don't think the cost is very high for the potential to increase our profile.

I haven't found anyone yet who is able to produce a good email but I'm sure there is someone out there. I'm meeting with someone later this week and will get some ideas then. This is a great idea if everyone does send them out. It's a fast, almost free and very effective way to tell people about us.

If there is any interest in going forward with either or both of these plans then can someone from DAG contact me please.

Twittering etc.

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  • Tue, 23/06/2009 - 07:48

I am with you but have no idea how to go about it. Can we get up and running? Can we sort out how to pay for it?


Love to....

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  • Wed, 24/06/2009 - 07:56

but surprise surprise haven't heard from anyone. If the media team want to get in touch i'll do what I can to expedite, assist, whatever.

Join the Action and Tasks Group

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  • Wed, 24/06/2009 - 18:30

All you people out there with ideas, particularly you Lorraine, Join the Actions and Tasks Group. We seem to be having trouble getting people moving