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go mann. I've seen dozens of

  • occams razor
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go mann.
I've seen dozens of OMG THE BANK IS BUST threads on other sites these last few weeks by people who couldn't log on, which later just turned out to be a technical problem, if that's any reassurance.


Hello, Duty Adult! Yes, I'm

  • go mann
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Hello, Duty Adult!
Yes, I'm telling myself that, endlessly.
Double-checked with Mrs G, all the log-on was correct, but I just love those passwords that go "5hn76Rhy&*2gjvsr" ... that mean you then have to write the damned things down!

Oh, hang on ... just got in. Hopefully that £30k will be safe.


Hello, Duty Adult! Yes, I'm

  • go mann
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Hello, Duty Adult!
Yes, I'm telling myself that, endlessly.
Double-checked with Mrs G, all the log-on was correct, but I just love those passwords that go "5hn76Rhy&*2gjvsr" ... that mean you then have to write the damned things down!


Now I know your password I am

  • occams razor
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Now I know your password I am currently removing all your funds and blowing the money on these:
http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/Jolly-Christmas-Postman-stamp-set.4580794.jp
It's surely a better investment than what we had..... :-)


My password is actually

  • go mann
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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 17:07

My password is actually "sodoffoccam" ... ;-)

Actually, we've just got in and shifted £30k to a place of "safety"


Matt KSF Cartoon in Telegraph Raises a Smile

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See Matt Cartoon on KSF http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/


Online Visitors

  • Bernadette
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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 16:03

Hi everyone, I think as many people as possible need to register on our site to keep up momentum.

Noticing a lot of GUESTS visiting the site.

So please if you are visiting this site as a GUEST and you were a depositer with KSFIOM - PLEASE REGISTER you do not have to leave personal information, just ACKNOWLEDGE.

Thanks


Password

  • ianhkhi
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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 16:11

If you haven't been able to register because your password doesn't seem to come back to you, one option is to try using another email account if you have one.
@gmail.com seems to work fine.
See also "Site News".


Password

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It has taken me all day to finally manage to receive password and log on. I think the server in the office must have been identifying the password email as spam and binning it.


Hi all. Relating to a

  • sleeplessnight
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Hi all. Relating to a posting I ahve just seen from earlier regarding leaving our stories on the door step:
In the early moments of the crisis those of us who met on the other forums then have come together here have worn our hearts on our sleeves as has been natural as we were in despair an seeking some form of comfort/empathy, but I have pointed out before, (albeit incorrectly at the time - apologies EXPAT), that there are some very strange people out there who may view and comment on the forum for different reasons eg such as boredom or fun. I think now we're mostly coming around to the news (not saying we are able to cope with it!!) and need to stay focused and retain some calm, one of the reasons I was pressing for physical meetings as I was concerned we may become victims of some sick pranksters. If we stick to facts and actions now and stay focused I think it would help us all. Although we need the media assistance we need to use it and not the other way around.


The new cod wars

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from the other forum:

Ignoring the comments by Gordon Brown, who has earned for himself a reputation for not being remotely credible on any matter, I well remember the Cod Wars [1970s]. In my view, the Icelanders should have stuck to fishing, because they were actually quite good at it. The past 40 years are a good demonstration of the folly of a country going straight from fishing to international banking without going through a period of ethical education in between.


apologies for the silence,

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apologies for the silence, but as bblair stated this is all about getting messages. watch the bbc web site, i am sorry they had to have the human story rubbish as a hook, but we need to send a message. I do grasp how this works thats why I am trying to do this, I admire your comments sir but we do need a statement as to what is going on and that we iom ect is being protectd. it took a little time to get the right ears.other avenues are also being used and maybe there will be a reaction now!!


media advice

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Ok so i have spoken to monkeyface3604 on the phone and i am going to go ahead with an interview tomorrow with the local Yorkshire news. As for the C4 news programme we think it would be fantastic if we could get some other people who look more vunerable than I do (my mum is too ill to be involved) and who has also lost everything to be involved. We could poss do it together???? Can we get some volunteers? I will speak to C4 later tonight to let them know what is happening and i will put the suggestion forward.

We really do need people who are in a total financial state, we need sympathy, people can not view us a 'rich tax dodgers' which we all know is not the case for most of us. (although i have sympathy to all who have lost cash)

Thanks for the support for the last C4 news show, it is greatly appreciated. This is all crazy and awful for all of us. I am hating all of this and the support from this web site is everything to me. I tried to get the website mentioned but it wasnt on the clip. I will try again tomorrow.


media advice

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Don't know if this story helps -
My husband and I live in France and we are trying to renovate a barn while living in a caravan. We don't have a bathroom and only six months ago got hot water and a kitchen sink. We are both pensioners and are doing all the building work ourselves. Our life savings in KS&F IOM are/were paying for the building materials but if we can't access the money or lose it we will be living in the caravan without a bathroom in the freezing cold winters for the rest of our lives.
We have a very small pension which barely covers food etc so no chance of buying any building materials with that. We also relied on our savings to top the pension up for day to day living. I managed to get some cash out on the S&F card at the beginning of the week and that is all the money we have to live on until the next pension payment which has now been diverted to another bank.
Next months pension will have to go towards paying tax and 11% social charges to the French Government


Not quite as bad...

  • saversinfrance
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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 16:37

We've just spent two years working pretty much every day to renovate our barn and were looking forward to enjoying our life here. We have some money left but will have to be extremely careful from now on. We'll certainly need to put our energy into vegetable and fruit growing.


very much the same here

  • skintagainnow
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My story is very much the same - except too young for pension (just mid fifties) no caravan (we were in the UK to buy caravan / motorhome something to live in over the winter) and didn't manage to get any cash out before it went down.


monkey my friend what do i

  • expat
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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 15:59

monkey my friend what do i need to now if the bbc camera do turn up tomorrow? ring me oplase


I have now spoken to Expat

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I have now spoken to Expat and covered how he should deal with any interviews, although may i say he already had it covered pretty damn well


you will be fine

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Stick to your personal story (an injustice that you are totally passionate about!) and you can only come accross well.

Monkeyface has my number, you are welcome to call for a chat, i am doing that interview tomorrow and obviously not looking forward to it. Keep strong and lets keep our voices heard!!


jenren, Expat - well done for

  • sleeplessnight
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jenren, Expat - well done for putting yourselves forwrd. I have quite a topical story that may help grab attention particularly on BBC or rival stations as it involves current BBC program, but - I am not comfortable about 'appearing' on anything though, but though so let me know if you think it would be worth using it in another way eg radio or quotes on the news etc?


I just need to see my kids

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I just need to see my kids face and strong is no problem kjenren, i wouldn't have gone this far if wasn't. i'll ring whn monkey gets in touch. uif my phones hasn't melted by then of course!


jenren i expect to get bbc tv

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jenren i expect to get bbc tv tomorrow as well if it all not to late, they don't work on the weekends on the IoM


The much-talked of guarantee

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balla on the other forum wrote:

What fools we have been.

I went to KSF from the Derbyshire that I always assumed was reputable.

balla ends

Do you think so? I don't. I believe that we should be saying:"what fools or how hopelessly incompetent the regulators and their respective governments have been". They, and only they, have (or are able to obtain) the information needed to determine whether or not your deposits were truly safe.

Don't believe me that you couldn't have obtained the necessary information even if you had tried? Try asking FSC for a copy of the much talked-about guarantee that was lodged with them and see what they tell you. Or indeed any other documents that the banks have lodged with them.


Came accross the Article from the Times - Just an idea

  • Andy Ish
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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 15:40

All I really think we should try and have Mr Simpson create a trust setup for our benefit once they have the assets allocated. Selling those assets are obviously being picked at a very low price because of the bank's situation

Kaupthing Owned 10% in Sainsbury's and its in commodoties, when times are tough commodoties shares tend to go up!
If they sell it its going for nothing..................

May be I am loosing it, but its just a thought! Any one has an opinion? feel free to comment


Sainsbury in the dark over 10% stake
By Elizabeth Rigby, Roger Blitz and Neil Hume

Published: October 10 2008 22:34 | Last updated: October 10 2008 22:34

J Sainsbury was still in the dark on Friday over the whereabouts of 10 per cent of its stock, two days after Robert Tchenguiz was forced to rapidly unwind his stake following the collapse of the Icelandic banking system.

The retailer was furious on Friday night it had not been notified where the shares were, having spent two days trying to locate the stock.

EDITOR’S CHOICE
Lombard: Sainsbury’s mysterious disappearing stake - Oct-10Sainsbury slides despite solid sales - Oct-08Lex: J Sainsbury - Oct-08Sainsbury fights retail gloom - Sep-14Making molehills out of mountains - Sep-14Sainsbury to push own-brand goods - Sep-02Mr Tchenguiz, the property entrepreneur, was forced to offload a 10.4 per cent interest in the retailer at short notice on Wednesday after Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander, his financial backer, went into administration. Last night it was still unclear whether the shares were now held by Ernst & Young, administrator of Kaupthing S&F, or other parties.

Just hours before it went into administration on Wednesday, Kaupthing S&F was frantically trying to place the shares at 250p, a substantial discount to their 314.75p close on Tuesday.

However, the trades were held in limbo as rumours swirled that Kaupthing S&F was about to be put into administration.

“The whole thing is a shambles,” complained one person close to Sainsbury. “How do you do a book building and then stop halfway through because the administrators have walked through the door? It is very odd. Quite a few problems like this are going to develop in the coming weeks.”

Another person close to Sainsbury said: “There is no clear answer [as to the whereabouts of the stock] after asking administrators for the last 24 hours.”

The company has issued Kaupthing S&F and E&Y with Section 793 notices, which are used by public companies to ascertain whether a particular party has an interest in the shares.

Mr Tchenguiz’s advisers were understood to be making urgent inquiries to locate the stock, which they think might be in the hands of several prime brokers rather than Kaupthing S&F.


Everyone I have spoken to

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Everyone

I have spoken to Jenren, she has been contacted by Channel 4 after doing an interview with them last night. They are keen to follow the story, I have talked to her regarding a press strategy. This is going to be atelevised interview and as such i think we need someone who visually is visually vulnerable. People will make an opinion of this person in thje first 5 seconds of seeing them and as such tar all Kaupthing IOM customers with the same brush. Therefore we need someone preferably retired, vulnerable looking, someone who is going to get public sypathy. I will be able to advise this erson on what to say and what not to say and if need be i will talk with overs over subjects that need to be covered. One of the most important things is we need to acknowledge we arent the only people who have lost everything but that we are the ones who at the moment seem unrepresented and that we are worried about being ignored and forgotten.
No reference to special treatment should be given but maybe (and i will need others opinions) we should say we feel UK goverment played some part in our demise

Opinions???


Everyone I have spoken to

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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 15:58

Excellent strategy. So in other words we don't want a "businessman" on the screen representing us in this visual. I agree we dont want special treatment. Some of us (including myself) are on the electrorial roll in the UK, have a main residence there and pay local taxes. This is a good opportunity for the group to keep the pressure on the governments not to forget us in any future deal. We need to keep our awareness up


Press strategy

  • saversinfrance
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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 15:54

I think you have the strategy spot on - I have media relations experience and ran a PR company for several years so am speaking from experience. Concentrate on the human interest and personal misery caused and emphasise that there are many, many ordinary savers caught up in this crisis. I agree that the issue of pointing the finger of blame is highly sensitive - perhaps suggesting that the UK government has a responsibility to act in this matter because of the freezing of the iom company's assets is the line to take? I don't think getting into any legal, political areas will be fruitful.


On the subject of

  • occams razor
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If the subject of compensation comes up in any interviews I would say it is important to stress that it is so far uncertain whether the IOM compensation scheme actually has the ability to pay out, and in any timely fashion. The general public (as I have seen from many comments on other sites) see IOM £50k compensation and think we are covered the same as in the UK. We're not.


IoM FSC's performance in this matter

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herbertsherbert (from the other forum):
Your question was effectively "What more could the Islands FSC have done?" It got a parent company guarantee off a highly rated (at the time) international bank that said that in all instances Manx deposits would be covered. Is this a lack of diligence on their behalf? How much further could they realistically have gone?

We do not know what the guarantee said, because the IoM FSC will not release a copy of it. Do you know what it said?

As for what more the FSC could have done, it could for example: (a) have questioned what would happen to the guarantee if the parent bank collpased; (b) have required that the IoM bank hold at all times a sum equal to a fixed fraction of total deposits; and (c) decided that the guarantee was insufficient, as was evidently the case, and prevented the IoM bank from trading.

As for what more it could do now (which you did not ask), it could for example be upfront about the fact that it was not warned by the UK FSA before it took action against the UK corporation (action that led to the collapse of the IoM subsidiary the next evening), in spite of the existence of a memorandum of understanding between the two regulatory authorities, rather than seeking to conceal this fact.


Council money losses

  • shafted
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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 15:35

Does anyone know if the tax payers money losses in Icelandic banks are connected in any waywith KSF IOM as with myself i could not open a uk Kaupthing Edge acc with my self Invested pension deposit money as it had to be in a trust deposit acc ie in IOM as KSF did not operate this type of acc from the UK, just wondering if councils money would have to be in a trust AC?


Any body out there in Dubai???

  • Andy Ish
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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 15:28

Any body out there in Dubai or UAE? I want to get in touch with anyone based in Dubai or event in the UAE. I really feel we shold have a regional sub group here. At least supporting each other.
AJM I have emailed you both my email and mobile number too!
Thanks


Retired opera singer could lose 187K

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The BBC IOM website reports that a retired opera singer stands to lose 187 K. She lives in Sri Lanka now and has no other income.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/moneybox/7665119.stm

It occurs to me if we can identify other "celebrities" to help our case, so much the better.


retired opera singer

  • tsunamivictim
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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 15:32

Hi Farang
This is the retired opera singer living in Sri Lanka.....happy to do anything to publicise our case and help to get our money back!


Celebrities

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I think this lady is already a "user" and it is her sad plight (rather than any former occupation) that's of interest.
"Celebrities" (in the sense I understand) is exactly the sort of publicity that we do NOT need and should carefully avoid.


secured assets

  • MAXMAN
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Guys did anyone think that if any assets were recovered or made known, they could pottentially be secured by other organisations which may have priority over us as they could have secured them through a charging order well before all this started? or are we all secured creditors?


The solution appears simple...the question is will they do it?

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According to the press association:
'The Government has seized more than enough Icelandic assets to pay back British savers caught up in the country's banking collapse, it was revealed.
Some £4bn is understood to have been frozen using anti-terror laws last week, compared to the estimated £3bn that UK councils, charities and individuals stand to lose.'

As they are still focusing on UK depositors that leaves a surplus of £1bn (according to the press association) not accounted for by the UK government. On the basis that the British Government has duty of care over the IoM and more specifically to all British Citizens (read passport holders) irrespective of current living arrangements it would seem obvious that the remaining amount be used to compensate such British Citizens to whom the Icelandic Banks/Government now owe money. I can't see the issue preventing this from happening..... but I bet the politicians can.


We're all in this together - not just British citizens

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I hope the solution is as simple as suggested in your e-mail - i.e £4B - £3B = plently left to sort us out. Please remember this is about all KSF IOM depositors and not just the British Citizens. I'm no fat cat or tax dodger. I use the IOM as a logical and accessible banking system for managing my money as I now live away from my home country like all of you expat British.


solution

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Diver,

I think your solutions is a valid point, although I don't think we should be concentrating on who is citizens and who are not.

We are all in this together, and we were all guaranteed our deposits.

Lets think of everyone involved in this, and find a fair solution for everyone involved.

The Isle of Man government should take responsibility like all the other countries including the UK, Germany, Ireland, Australia and the Netherlands who gaurantee deposits in their respective countries.

This will bring confidence into the appropriate markets, and will allow money to stay in the local banks, thus giving banks more breathing space and allowing us all to have a chance to see our life savings.

Lets stick together and fight for all of us!


AGREE

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We are all in this together - no matter what it says on the front of a passport.


Agree

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Absolutely agree we all need to stick together. I was just using the citizenship idea as an example of how the UK government can't (shouldn't be allowed to) choose who they think they should be protecting/re-imbursing based on where they live...there are many more factors to consider. If they hang the IoM out to dry then it's the end for the island, that is a plus point in out favour at the moment...I'm sure there are a lot of infuential people pointing that out to them.


agreed

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we are all in this together - no matter what it says on the front of a passport.


When the Press Association

  • occams razor
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When the Press Association says "British savers" it's a general wording meaning savers in Britain, they're not talking about precise nationality, and it's only a media report not a legal document.
The question is whether KSFIOM will get its money back from KSFUK and others. I seriously doubt there would ever be any discrimination based on nationality. This is a question about subsidiary companies and different jurisdictions, I do not think it will ever be a question of the citizenship of individual savers.


Info please

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Hi, My husband and I are expats living in Spain and put our life savings into the Derbyshire in 2000 now like everyone else on this site we are caught up in this awful situation, we cannot make out whether we are covered by the UK Financial compensation scheme or not because we are not UK residents. We are UK citizens and receive British Government pensions and hold British passports. Can anyone advise please? We dont know where to start


ASs I understand it, you

  • go mann
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ASs I understand it, you should be covered by the IOM compensation scheme up to £50,000.
Alternatively, there might be a rescue ... possibly.
I'm no expert, but that's how I see it at the moment.


Info please

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Thank you for your reply should we contact the IOM Goverment scheme or do you think that we should wait for the administrator to contact us?


Angel. At this early stage of

  • occams razor
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Angel.
At this early stage of events there isn't much point contacting either the liquidator or compensation scheme about your individual case. Events are still working their way through the system and we don't know how things will work out.
By all means do contact them, I'm just saying at this stage neither of them will be dealing with individual cases, they are still looking at the big picture.
Sorry, I know that may not be the answer you are looking for, I feel your pain, I'm just giving you my realistic view of where we stand now.


Info please

  • angel
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Thank you for your reply and kind words, neither my husband nor myself have any great financial knowledge we are just ordinary retired folks with not much money we live on our pensions, and our safety blanket which we have worked for and saved for all our life has just dissapeared and we dont know what to do? We have nothing left.
We appreciate there are people who have lost much more than us, indeed vast amounts of money and we feel for them.


Press, advice please

  • jenren
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Hello all.
Channel 4 and the local news want to keep covering the story. I would really like some advice on this, our story of loosing the house and all savings can only generate sympathy and it is fantastic that they are keen to do some investigations about our story (C4 are looking to go to the iom and follow this seriously), however I am also aware that some people want communication before we go to the media.

I have enabled the messages to be sent to me via this site and i would like some advice please. I will do interviews if this helps the cause and i have peoples support, but i do not want to be doing more harm than good. Obviously i will not talk about the legal situation and will stress that i am not expert on politics, I can only tell my mothers story which is one of total financial loss if the money does disappear. Do we go with the coverage while the press are interested??? Please contact me.


Media coverage

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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 15:14

Many thanks to Jenren for the C4 interview . I think it is important that this is keept in the public eye and that we are not forgotten in all that is going on . It is important that the human side of this in shown and that everyone realises that we are all hard-working savers innocently caught up in this mess , many of whom stand to lose everything in some cases . If we do not publicise this fact we may be forgotten and overlooked as otherwise the general perception of people with offshore bank accounts will remain as "fat cats" and "tax avoiders " or worse " tax evaders" and clearly in the vast majority of cases it is clear that this is very far from the truth . We are not appointing blame and therefore I do not see how this can damage the behind the scenes negotiations . It would also be very helpful if a MP would bring focus on our plight in the Commons . Thank-you again Jenren , keep it going .


Just heard that Radio 4's

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  • Sun, 12/10/2008 - 14:41

Just heard that Radio 4's Money Box Live is planning a special recording this evening covering recent events....