FAR - FLUNG MEMBERS - WHO'S GOT THEIR PAPERS YET?

  • Wombat761
  • 30/01/09 20/03/15
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Posted: Wed, 06/05/2009 - 02:36

They still haven't arrived in Oz (Australia) . Perhaps they haven't been posted at all!

It took one (1) month for the Original LP Communication to arrive in Oz from nominal posting in December 2008.

Anyway, I posted mine yesterday - Saying "NO" - full stop !

I have supported DAG Legal Team, and agree that without change the answer must be "No".

The Question is either "Yes" or "No" , and I can't think of anyways other than minor tinkering that the SOA could be changed WITHOUT INTRODUCING A FURTHER SIX MONTHS DELAY.

WHO WANTS THAT?

IF IOMG doesn't want fluidisation (aka liquidaion) , and can't pay up more, then it'll have to go out and borrow from someone else. Keep fingers crossed.

Good luck to all

PS Do you realise you can DOWNLOAD THE FORMS at : [http://www.kaupthingsingers.co.uk/Pages/4079]

AND you can also FAX OR EMAIL YOUR FORM TO :

Fax 44 1624 699 202 OR 44 1624 699 200
EMAIL scheme(?)singers [dot] co [dot] im
(See Explanatory Statement ) ?

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No voting papers

  • grandmaparis
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  • Mon, 11/05/2009 - 22:43

I live just outside Paris (France) and as of today May 11th I have still not received my voting papers. My address has not changed and I received the EPS docs and my statement giving the balance in my account on October 9th. It is quite obvious that the documents have not been posted, contrary to what Mike Simpson claims. I have followed Elgee's suggestion and emailed MS to register my dissatisfaction. Of course, I downloaded the forms and sent off my proxy vote several days ago.


WHOS GOT THEIR PAPERS YET? 11/5/2009

  • Wombat761
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  • Mon, 11/05/2009 - 01:47

As above, I still haven't got my SOA Papers in Australia by 11/5/2009

IT WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL IF MEMBERS REPLYING TO THIS FORUM WHO HAVE STILL NOT RECEIVED THEIR SOA PAPERS declared their country location .

Thanks

SEE ALSO "Suggestion re late or undelivered voting packs" BY Elgee - on this site Really Good .

I've already written to Simpson , but without any response!


notices re. late/no receipt to Chairman and copies to DAG

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My earlier suggested wording has been improve by a solicitor depositor. The following is suggested:

"Re: Voting papers in relation to the proposed scheme of arrangement (“SOA”) for Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander (Isle Of Man) Limited (“KSFIOM”)

I am a creditor of KSFIOM, having [accounts/bonds*] numbered [insert details].

I am writing to notify you that the voting papers and other documents relating to the SOA [did not arrive/ have not yet arrived] at my address [give address] [until/by] [insert date].

[OPTIONS – (a), (b) or (c):

(a) if you have not received the papers but had to download them:

I wish to notify you that I did not receive any original papers from you relating to the SOA and had to download them from the internet.

(b) if you downloaded them or received the papers and sent them in by e-mail or fax and the originals may not be in the IOM in time

I received my papers on [insert date], and have returned my papers to you by [e-mail/fax*], but given their late arrival, consider that it is unlikely that the originals will be with you in time for the deadline of XYZ

(c) you have not received papers, and have been unable to do anything:

I have not received any papers from you and [Describe any facts that prevent you from voting/returning hard copies/ in your particular circumstances, such as insufficient time to return the documents, no printer/scanner available, insufficient time to take advice on document/ to digest their content/ to enquire as to how to vote in your particular circumstances/etc]. ].

I wish to register my dissatisfaction at the way that this voting process has been handled, in particular the distribution of voting materials.

I am sending a copy of this message to a special e-mail address provided for this purpose by the KSFIOM Depositors' Action Group and authorise them to disclose this message and its contents in connection with any proceedings or discussions in relation to KSFIOM and/or the SOA."

In any event, recommend that depositors please use the last paragraph (above) rather than my earlier version mentioning evidence.


Still nothing in

  • SgKZ
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sat, 09/05/2009 - 09:20

Still nothing in Kazakhstan.

They can't even handle printing out a few forms and posting them efficiently. Doesn't bode well for the future.

Are DAG raising this very legitimate grievance with their press contacts?


Proxy/Vote Papers

  • howagcr
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  • Sat, 09/05/2009 - 04:21

today is 9 May 2009 and to date I have no documents received in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Who can trust the IOM authorities. They play their game with the KSF despositors.


SoA Forms Not Received

  • taiping
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  • Fri, 08/05/2009 - 15:06

As at 8 May 2009 I have not received the SoA Forms in THAILAND.
I have emailed Scheme(?)singers [dot] co [dot] im to complain about it and point out that other depositors may also have not received the forms.
However, I downloaded the voting forms and emailed signed copies to KSF(?)EdwinCoe [dot] com

taiping


SoA Forms Not Received Japan

  • Jerome.broke-in...
  • 14/10/08 14/07/09
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  • Sat, 09/05/2009 - 02:36

May 9th
No postal forms yet.
UK mail takes 4 days

original DL forms to Edwin Coe Yesterday scaned copies by email today.

However I was thinking before this has made my choice simple.
YMMV


No forms received

  • cerberus
  • 12/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 08/05/2009 - 09:27

8th May and no forms received yet. I am in France and my mail from UK usually arrives within 2-3 days. This surely cannot be a legitinate way to conduct a vote.


No forms here either

  • AJM UAE
  • 11/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 08/05/2009 - 03:56

We're in the UAE and neither we nor several of our friends in the same situation have received our forms. I wrote to the scheme e-mail address a couple of days ago asking where these forms might be and got an immediate response that they were on their way and should arrive soon. We gave up waiting early this week and downloaded the forms instead. They have now arrived with Edwin Coe LLP. What a fiasco! Without the DAG we would currently be sitting in the dark without any information.


Nothing in Taiwan

  • keving
  • 13/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 08/05/2009 - 02:51

As of Thursday nothing yet here in Taiwan. With a great and secure postal service I am used to 5-7 day postal deliveries from the UK. Really dont want to see demons where they dont exist, and cant quite believe a modern government would resort to such crude measures as just posting the forms late. But they have my email address and have used it in the past to contact me regarding the EPS, so why not this time?


Can't download, can't print, knew nothing

  • Tomigaya
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  • Thu, 07/05/2009 - 22:17

I am not in a position to download or print. And if I had not gained access to a computer I would not have found out about the Scheme from DAG. And if I had not joined DAG I would have known nothing.
The Isle of Man has done absolutely nothing to inform me about the scheme, or to give me time to vote. This appears to be the case for many people. Therefore the scheme cannot be legally adopted. So if you don't want the scheme to be adopted, this is good news, I'd have thought. (Actually it makes little difference to me either way, but I don't like to see this happening).


No forms yet in Holland

  • Dave1
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 07/05/2009 - 21:05

Late Thursday. No sign of any forms here either.
From what I read, looks like only the IOM forms have arrived. Funny that!
Have downloaded form and sent in my proxy vote to DAG lawyers
Dave1


Germany

  • Reddy
  • 04/03/09 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 08/05/2009 - 13:08

Just to say that our forms arrived yesterday, 6/5/09


STILL NOT RECEIVED VOTING FORMS -deliberate ploy to rig the vote

  • give_me_my_money
  • 15/10/08 n/a (free)
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  • Thu, 07/05/2009 - 19:50

Ditto the above sentiments.
I'm in Canada & still have not received my voting papers.
This is a deliberate ploy to rig the vote & is criminal, on top of what has already happened.
Dick Turpin has nothing on these jesters. It's robbery.
Give me my money back, in FULL + interest. It's my money, I earnt it. It's my life savings. Stop playing with people's lifes.

Download the voting papers & fax/email them back. Vote "NO" to the SOA.
Make your vote count.


Voting papers??

  • clodhopper
  • 18/01/09 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 07/05/2009 - 19:26

We live in France and have not received our voting papers from KSFIOM. We have today however, received a letter from the IOM post marked 5 May - so have the bank posted the voting papers - I would think not!

We have completed the download form and forwarded these to Edwin Coe who have acknowledge receipt of our emailed copies.

What about all the potential voters who have no access to the internet or indeed those who rely on the non information posted on KSFIOM web site - thanks DAG for all your help.


Shenanigans

  • Wanda
  • 12/10/08 31/08/09
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  • Thu, 07/05/2009 - 13:16

No forms received by me here in the USA and yet other mail from the UK has arrived within the usual 5 day period! Having been a member of this site since the early days - and with thanks to the insightful DAG Stragegy Team for giving me an early "heads up" regarding the shenanigans of the IoM shysters - I knew not to wait. My downloaded forms are winging their way to Edwin Coe as I type. Also, I applied for the EPS2 payment more than six weeks ago and have heard nothing. To my mind, anyone who STILL thinks the IoM will do the honourable thing may want to take note.


Still no forms received in Dublin

  • kiwi38
  • 11/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Thu, 07/05/2009 - 11:39

Hard to believe that being only 25 minutes away from the IOM by plane and I still have nothing. I will not believe any excuse offered by the IOMG at this point - it is clear what they are doing. I have already printed my form and posted it in.

I also have a company account with an IOM address which funnily enough has received it's forms.


IOM company address rec forms 28th April

  • kiwi38
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Further to my comment above it seems my company with the IOM address received it's SOA forms last week on the 28th yet 9 days later I still have not got mine in Dublin. Maybe the IOMG put them in a bottle and threw them into the Irish sea?...I will check Portmarnock beach on the way home tonight and advise.


Still awaiting the bottle

  • Codpeace
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Nothing yet in Florida. UK mail usually only takes 5 days max to get here.

If your bottle hasn't reached Dublin yet I guess it will be a while before they will reach South Beach Miami!!


Thanks kiwi38 for managing

  • anrigaut
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Thanks kiwi38 for managing to make me laugh out loud.
Enjoy your beach-combing!


Rigged voting

  • arny
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Thanks to a younger wife I have printed off the forms & just mailed them back- against SOA & against the IoM government. Tomorrow is a Bank Holiday here in France, if my forms arrive on Saturday they would probably leave on a Monday flight & arrive? Too late Messrs Bell & Brown hope. Well done gentlemen you are showing your true colours. Think on pro SOA voters,you may end up in the hands of these ........s.
I will keep you all 'posted' as to when my forms arrive.


Don't wait for delivery- get proactive.

  • BustedFlat
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  • Thu, 07/05/2009 - 10:41

I suggest that anyone who is 'waiting' for voting forms get proactive and print-out the ones on the http://www.ksfiomdepositors.org/public-page/instructions-completion-form... website, fill them in and send/fax them.

The instructions are there too.


France - still nothing either

  • anrigaut
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Arny: can't reply to your blog so have taken the liberty of reproducing it here.

I don't think the queue has much to do with surnames. Mine begins with D - and I still have nothing either. OK I'm in a small village in Brittany - but the post from UK never ever takes this long. I smell a large rat!
I downloaded, emailed (acknowledged by E Coe) and posted on Monday.

Arny's blog:
"I live in the eighth largest town in france, 500 metres from the main post office, Britsh Airways & Air France have daily flights to London. My surname begins with W & I am used to being at the end of the queue, I waited this morning for my mail. The facteur has brought me a bill, but no voting forms. I will now, with aid,download, print them & put them in the post.
Manxmen you have been dishonoured by your government. Do you talk of this in your streets & bars?"


Tactics

  • dclf1947
  • 10/10/08 31/08/09
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Nothing received here in the very north of the Philippines yet a book I purchased from the UK on eBay was posted on the 28 April and arrived here on the 5 May. It seems to me that by far-flung depositors not receiving the pack in time to return the vote is in the IOMG favour. It would be fair to say that most expats would have used the KSFIOM as a savings bank and would have been classed as larger depositors. Perhaps our number may not affect the the "number" vote but could have a distinct affect on the "value" vote.
I copied the form and sent it by mail and faxed it to Edwin Coe a couple of days ago.


It's clearly not wise to

  • wood
  • 12/10/08 30/05/13
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  • Thu, 07/05/2009 - 08:17

It's clearly not wise to rely on receiving the voting forms in the mail.

I received an e-mail from MSimpson's office with the forms as attachments saying they had done this because their records show I do not receive mail overland (sic!). Needless to say, all other previous communications re KSFIOM, pre and post last October, were by airmail to me here in the UAE.

I had already decided they were not reliable enough to wait. I scanned & e-mailed and couriered the forms to Edwin Coe. E-mail acknowledgment received from them within 24 hours.

It's not a good idea to risk your vote by waiting for what might never happen.


LIQUIDATOR 2 - EMAIL

  • mikepapa
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  • Thu, 07/05/2009 - 18:03

Dear Wood,

I have had similar experience............... I received an e-mail from Liquidator 2 with the Voting forms and SoA details etc as attachments, saying they had done this because their records show I do not receive mail overland.

Like you, all other previous communications re KSFIOM, pre and post last October, [ EPS1EPS2 Statements etc ] have managed to get through to me by airmail, here in East Africa.

Seems KSF IoM are saving postal charges..... in which case they should accept my Vote by e-mail so that I can do likewise!

At least now we all know why we have a second Liquidator Provisional.........he sends e-mails!!!

Kind regards,

Mike


Re: Forms emailed to some locations

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According to Mike Simpson's 13th of February posting on the Kaupthing bank website he named certain countries (location) where he felt it might be necessary to also send emails regarding important matters. It seems to me he also mentioned this elsewhere but I can't find it now. Here is an extract from the bank posting--

"International post
In order to mitigate the risk of fraud, depositor updates will not be sent by post to Botswana, Kenya, South Africa or Zimbabwe. I will seek to distribute updates to depositors in these countries by email or fax. However where depositors do not have access to email or fax these documents will be sent by post upon their request."


Far Flung members - use travellers to Uk to post form

  • sabi Star
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if desperate - consider giving your forms in envelop to someone flying into UK to post it there - especially if you have a first class UK stamp - always valid.


Our (proxy) votes sent by courier

  • Hoping and coping
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Nothing received here in Singapore. I have downloaded the DAG forms and couriered them to Edwin Coe. An expensive method, but money well spent, I think.

My next task will be to donate what we can afford for DAG Legal and Website costs. I have been out of action for the last 2-3 months with a health problem, and have been unable to participate in or contribute to what has been going on. I am immensely grateful to all those who have continued to work hard and contribute in any way to the DAG's overall aim of getting us all back all of our money. To the DAG Strategy Team, my very, very grateful thanks.


IOMG government’s ethics belong in equatorial Africa

  • klauseriksen
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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Yes I had to incur the same expense. With such a systematic problem it definitely looks like this was part of the IOMG strategy - i.e. to manipulate the local electorate with propagandistic presentations and exclude the sceptical expats from voting . I find it quite remarkable that they seem have resorted to such methods and it certainly clearly shows that the ethics of the IOMG is a far cry from other European countries and would be more at home in equatorial Africa than in Northern Europe


Are we Stupid or Niaive ?

  • merlina
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Has anyone else, like me, thought this is their strategy ? We have one month, then it will be 3 months summer recession for IOMG, opening up beginning of October ? We will have two weeks until DCS drops to £20,000. They know then we will be fighting to sign their SOA.

Am I being a realist or have they got to me and I'm paranoid.


hoping and coping/Singapore

  • sad
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we should have really been more organised! I bet there are a fair few of us here and we could have sent them in together!! maybe next time!?!.....

Sad in Singapore


Sad, Singapore

  • Hoping and coping
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A very good point. I'm sorry.

(Still) Hoping (but not doing quite so well on the Coping front...)


They have shot themselves in the foot

  • Mekong
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Yet another farce from IOMT, up until 1 day ago I was prepared to go along with the SOA but after reading the comments on this thread about "Missing Ballot Papers" I now realise "I CANNOT TRUST THE WEASELS"

Forms downloaded and will be emailed / faxed / couriered within the hour with my NO vote, well done IOMT you made me see the light before it was too late!

PS Still not landed in Bangkok and snail mail from UK usualy only takes 1 week.


Tynwald question

  • Done like a Kipper
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  • Wed, 06/05/2009 - 23:32

I have received confirmation that a question has been lodged regarding the late mailing of voting forms and this will (should) be answered at the next Tynwald sitting on 16 May.

The question paper for the next sitting will be released on 14 May and can be found at the link below:

http://www.tynwald.org.im/


what a shower!

  • bellyup
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  • Wed, 06/05/2009 - 22:55

They cant even get the papers out on time

not exactly confidence inspiring!

( no I havnt got mine yet )


Wow yet another topic to moan about

  • giveus backourfunds
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Why are we having to read everyone comments that the forms have not been received in France , Australia or where ever you live ? Just downlaod the form and print and send or is that too easy ?
Will we then have a debate on how quick the forms print off in Australia compared to Spain ?

All I can say is roll on the 19th may when hopefully the SOA should be approved and those that want to can get on with our lives.

I got my form (in fact I got 2 lots) but I never came on here and had a 2 day debate on the topic, yes the IOMG have made mistakes and if they could do it all again i'm sure it would all have been handled better but would the UK Gov't be better equiped if it was a uk bank?

Moan over , you can get back to it, think someone in Argentina is still waiting :-)


@ Give us back

  • bellyup
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  • Fri, 08/05/2009 - 12:31

However you and all the rest of the IOM residents wont have to go to the trouble of downloading will you?


giveus backour funds, you're a real compassionate soul

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I doubt the people, who are posting on this thread, are moaning. They are simply stating a fact which may be of value should the vote result in a small response, thus suggesting that many depositors who are not on this site did not receive their forms and, as such, were deliberately not given a chance to vote.

I would also like to believe that there are many on the Isle of Man would do not share your selfish view of things and will remember this when election time rolls around.


undone

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not selfish, im a realist. No one on this despite me asking has convinced me why anyone who has less than £50K would vote for anything other than the SOA,

I ask again if those taking a pop at me had say £25K to get back how would you vote ?


Yes indeed, ANYTHING other than SoA for £25,000.

  • tobacco
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We have almost precisely £25,000 still to get back, and have voted against the SoA; for a few reasons :
1) we want the best chance for all depositors to have all their money returned (the whole point of the DAG, in fact); the SoA doesn't afford this chance,
2) the fact that so many depositors (including ourselves) have not yet received their voting forms - stinks of dirty tricks,
3) (selfishly) we'll get ours back at some stage anyway, and are in the fortunate position to be able to wait for a while,


tobacco

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Thanks for your comments, I fully agree with you but the point (3) is the bit that Is the tricky bit , at some point. The SOA has a breakdown and so we know the timescale does the the other route offer that?

Look I want us all to get as much back as we can and that is what I have always wanted I just see the SOA as being the best for all of us.

If someone wants to convince me other wise please do, I have less than £15k so fire away?


If we don't vote the SOA won't be passed

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Actually, I think that if there are not enough votes, then the SOA cannot be passed, and it'll be back to liquidation, so I don't see how not sending the papers is benefitting them.


Tomigaya

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  • Fri, 08/05/2009 - 22:48

Does the SoA state 'percentage of votes cast' or 'percentage of eligible votes'?


@Tomigaya/sunnysouth

  • anrigaut
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It's definitely percentage of votes CAST (reiterated in latest call with Simpson, now posted on bank site, if you care to listen).


Arigaut

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Thanks for the update.
John


@giveusback

  • Codpeace
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this topic is not about how to vote - more about the many people who will not have the opportunity because the IOM is using the message in a bottle to get them around the world. That is denying many depositors their right to have a say.

Typical IOM organisation.

brings to mind a p-up in a brewery or orgy in a brothel.....


undone needs rethink

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I do not trust the IoM. They failed to keep our money safe - depositing so much in the the UK subsidiary of KSF!

They failed to ensure the protection by the parental guarantee.

They failed to activate the DCS.

They failed to persuade me of the benefits of their scheme over the DCS.

I have, say, £25k. I have voted against the SoA.


undone needs rethink ???????

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steenJp, methinks you misread my above message to giveus backourfunds. I was pointing out the reason why depositors were posting on this thread; I was not advocating how one should vote nor was I commenting on either of the two schemes. Not surprisingly, this site has many depositors over-reacting every time someone voices an opinion contrary to their own. This is not a comment directed to your posting but to those who simply 'shoot down' others rather than pointing out the pros and cons of the schemes.


steenjp

  • giveus backourfunds
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Unlike others I have no problem in how you will vote, good on you