Dying Cause?

  • gazfuk
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Hello everybody,

I honestly don't want to be negative, but...

I get the feeling this is a dying cause. Soon after 8th October, this site was developed and hope was given to us all...we felt there were people actively working on our behalf both in IoM and UK to get us our money back and were receiving regular updates on how things were going. I know I was not alone in being thankful for this lifeline. However, now I feel there is a lack of direction. We seem to be getting together merely to express our disgust at the situation and there is little 'news' as such appearing. The media carries less and less about our plight and we remain the forgotten victims of the only bank in Europe to be allowed to fail.

Our only hope now is that the IoM government will make good on its efforts to secure a 'better outcome' for depositors.

The lack of news and updates is so depressing. What do others think?

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there is still lots of hope - never give up

  • rapata
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I don't often read my horoscope, but today I did (Libra) and this is what my stars say "

Do not be discouraged by the difficulties that have come your way. A large part of the solution is in your attitude and spirit. It is just a bad moment that will pass. "

The last 2 months have been living hell with emotional lows never experienced before. Our savings in KSF IOM were to have funded our retirement. We worked hard all our lives, made personal sacrifices and saved, hoping one day to enjoy a comfortable retirement. That dream came true in June, but just as we were adjusting to the new easygoing lifestyle Whammo, the fateful events of October 8th. Our life is temporarily on hold, my hard working hubby, now 67, has just returned to work and if the situation does not change in the next few months I will also be out looking for work - not an easy task in these depressed times. Meanwhile I busy myself checking this site daily and sending emails as suggested by all our hardworking core team.

The DAG has been a godsend, just knowing we are not alone gives me the will to continue and fight till the day when we all get 100% of our money back.

So please keep the faith - there is strength in numbers and we WILL succeed.


Merry Xmas!

  • rallison
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Well, none of us is likely to be feeling happy, are we? My personal opinion is that we are at the bottom of everybody's priorities (except the IoM gov., who are too small to cope), but that eventually, when everyone else is sorted out, when the Icelandic economy exists again, and when the UK and Icelend have stopped acting like babies, our problem will be fixed. Maybe that's just naive, but I don't think it's in anyones interests in a capitalist society run by banks, to allow people to simply lose their money when a bank fails. But please, no more depressing posts! Merry Xmas.


Spaghetti

  • callie53
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For several years, a man was having an affair with an Italian woman.

One night, she confided in him that she was pregnant.

Not wanting to ruin his reputation or his marriage, he paid her a large sum of money if she would go to Italy to secretly have the child.

If she stayed in Italy to raise the child, he would also provide child support until the child turned 18.

She agreed, but asked how he would know when the baby was born.

To keep it discreet, he told her to simply mail him a post card, and write 'Spaghetti' on the back.

He would then arrange for the child support payments to begin.

One day, about 9 months later, he came home to his confused wife.

'Honey', she said, 'you received a very strange post card today'.

'Oh, really? Let me see...' he said.

The wife gave it to him and watched as her husband read the card, turned white, and fainted.

On the card was written:

'Spaghetti, Spaghetti, Spaghetti.

Two with meatballs, one without.

Send extra sauce.'

I hope this doesn´t get me into trouble for posting but it made me laugh out loud and I KNOW you are not trying to be negative Gazfuk, the situation is as it is and we´re all in the same boat and all need to laugh if we can.


Trust

  • Yogi
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I too am quite depressed, very often. I understand (Hell, we ALL understand) how you feel Gazfuk. Please hold on in there.

I think one of the hard things is to trust that things are happening, we all had such a kicking that trust will never come easily again. News can't all be posted publicly and I am so grateful to our hard hitters for doing all the pushing they do and all the work behind the scenes. But around us life is still going on, if the 'big boys (& girls)' do what they're doing and don't report every little stroke for us, then I don't care, I'm just so glad that they're all doing what they are and encouraging and driving us to do what we're doing too.

"When you're in hell - keep going"....we have NO choice, that is what we must all do.

We will come through this.

Postal hug to you all :-) (They're free after all!)


Don't go down without a fight.

  • tonycBrisbaneOz
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I agree the seeming lack of news is disconcerting but:

1) The UK is meant to be a democracy and that means that Brown and Darling are accountable for their actions. They currently don't think they are. We need to disabuse them of this.

2) Keep asking awkward questions and keep asking for answers. I've written numerous letters to Darling and Brown, and many MPs. No useful answers of course. I have more in the pipeline.

3) And most important (aside from returning our money). If they get away with this it will set a precedent and next time there's a banking crisis other groups of savers will get screwed, regardless of which party is in government.

Regards, Tony.


You are not navigating the Forum properly !

  • Lucky Jim
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gazfuk - evidently you are not navigating properly in this Forum AND the 'Information' Public Forum.

Take some time to explore the Action & Strategy Forum & the Legal Forum, & read what's on the News tab.

This is now primarily a CHAT Forum so you are bound to see a lot of....er....chat !

I read the other day an amazing piece of psychological research that found the people who survived terrible disasters were the ones who could joke & laugh when there was nothing to joke & laugh about !
In tragic circumstances it is the optimists that suffer the least trauma. The pessimists sink in despair and it is their negative attitude that kills them not their lack of money!

Today sit down and write a list of the good things in your life in one column and the bad things in another column. I bet you find there's more things in the 'good things' column than there are in the 'bad column' !

Then I dare you to come here & share with us something of the good things in your life!


I love this

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This is one of my favourite pieces of advice to people when they are down. Am going to make a list now. My daughter is suffering from depression and just having her visit us so we can take care of her and our baby grandaughter is a blessing .


That's being POSITIVE Romana !

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Good on you, Romana! If you were not there for her your daughter would be in a worse state than she is. One day she will come to see what a wonderful harbour of refuge you have been to her. My Best Wishes to you and your family at this difficult period in your life


Howdy Lucky Jim, Does this

  • cottesmore
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Howdy Lucky Jim,
Does this mean, i should be able to deal with more disasters, given the amount of postings i do on, light relief,we need some! lol
regards,Mark


No it means you'll feel

  • expat
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No it means you'll feel really good when we can give you some good news!!!

Perhaps you'd like top read this link and see how far things are moving, its the first real steps and shows that a lot of talking and work on the IoM has begun to see a little light.

http://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=177950&nl=MM_BN&dep=...

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to start thinking about giving up here, but we need to place as much pressure on the UK treasury as possible to see them act honourably in this as well. It may well be that fairly shortly we can post a draft letter outlining the legislation that the UK can use to release the money back to IoM, I'll keep you posted on that as fast as I can,


Expat, may i echo the

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Expat, may i echo the comments of others and welcome back. Re the release of funds. There has been much discussion regarding clause 27 and the need for treasury to agree to the release of funds. If i am right, the clause states that treasury permission is required to release funds to a subsidiary of kaupthing. If the IoM branch is either nationalised by IoM or taken over by another bank it is no longr a sub to Kaupthing and therefore clause 27 does not apply!
we may lose the Icelandic parental guarantee but hey we all now know that is not worth a jot.
Would welcome your and others views?


How depressing are you

  • FEDUP
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Gazfuk, Whenever I read anything on this site from you it is always depressing. Instead of complaining that nothing is happening, do something yourself to make it happen. Do you think you are the only one that has lost money, we all have and we are all trying to do somethign positive to bring a conclusion to this crisis.

How about an upbeat message occasionally instead of doom and gloom.


Depressing?

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My post begins..."I honestly don't want to be negative" because my experience of some members of the site led me to expect comments like yours.

I went on to say "The media carries less and less about our plight and we remain the forgotten victims of the only bank in Europe to be allowed to fail". Is this incorrect?

I finished on a positive re the IoM government's efforts. I have made other posts that were anything but negative.

I do not want to get into an argument with anyone, merely to express my opinion. I don't think I deserve your comment, what is depressing is the situation, not my take on it. Oh, yes, and personal attacks...they are depressing.

My next comment is not just for you but for others on the site...Try to conduct yourself with some manners when posting. Pretend the person you are addressing is standing in front of you.


we're not a dying cause

  • banna
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Difficult it is. Depressing it sometimes can be. But we're NOT dying. We're in convalescence and on the road to recovery. It takes time to recover from the sort of 'surgery' we underwent. Consider some of the positive information we have managed to get over the last 2 months, and most of it would not be in our hands without the efforts of people who share this site and who are suffering like us :
- on the whole we've found ourselves in the company of some extraordinarily competent, generous and pleasant fellow sufferers
- we have managed to interest a fair number of honest MPs in our case
- KSF IOM has a loan book worth £300m to £400m, ie 35% - 45% 0f what we've lost
- KSF UK has a loan book bigger than its debts so we shall certainly see some payout from them to KSF IOM. How much? Don't know.
- the FSCS is now declared an unsecured creditor so will get exactly the same percentage of their money out of KSF UK as we do.That's good for us
- Transport for London have publicly written to their London users to say they have been told by EY that they will get all their money back. If they do so will we.
- LGA is on record as having said the same to the Local Authorities
- IOM Government HAS to find a solution to our problem at minimum cost to themselves. They seem to be working at that. We need to be vigilant about their solution
- we are in the same 'hole' as some pretty big insurance companies who certainly are not going to lose £200m+ without a bleat. They are obviously trying to persuade IOM to go for a solution which is more favourable to them than liquidation. As long as that gets us better than Compensation then we should be happy to ride on their coat tails - if not better for us we resist it.That seems the major task of the legal help we're paying for.
- IOM looks to be in favour of a small payout to us on account before end December.Without DAG they would never have thought of it.
Will we get all our money back? Those with less than £50k - yes. Those of us who have much more? Don't know- but we'll have a damned good try.
With the reopening of Parliament in January we have a new opportunity to blitz the media and everybody in power just as we did in October/November. WE need to take that opportunity.
Whether we live or die is in our hands : personally I like life, even if I am broke.


Thanks banna, Enough

  • cottesmore
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Thanks banna,
Enough said.People sometimes get so down,they need quotes like this, to 'pick' them up again.


Buck up man!

  • bellyup
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 17:03

What do i think ?
I think it is desperately depressing and worse I and i am sure many others have hold up a front for the family and its Christmas and its bloody difficult!

But lets NOT let it Die.

We cant go down without a fight I am not ready to have my hopes and dreams BURIED yet.

BUCK UP MAN. We are all in the same boat lets not let it sink!


Dying Cause

  • Ray
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Just to cheer you up, I've just received an e-mail from my M.P, who said, "I spoke to Michael Fallon (Chairman of the Treasury Select Committee) last night. The Treasury Select Committee has a session on this (KSFIOM) in January including the Action Group.

Surely that's good news.


Dying Cause - Not on your nelly !

  • colinalvin63
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 15:11

Hi gazfuk,

Are you a UK Government mole registered on this site in order to spread doom and gloom - if so, you'd better clear out of here before you get linched :-)

If my own experience is anything to go by, everyone will be having moments when they feel very low and thoughts that their money is lost forever. I sold a house and the proceeds were in my Kaupthing(IoM) account - I was only waiting for the market to bottom out before buying again. I very unluckily invested in Kaupthing(IoM) just a few weeks before the government caused it to collapse.

What I suggest you do is to look at the videos on uTube to renew your hatred for the UK Government. See
http://uk.youtube.com/user/ksfIoMdepositorsAG

I found that that really made me hate Alistair Darling's guts and fired me into action. Seeing him so smug as he spinned us as a load of tax evaders and suggested it was our own fault for investing in an offshore jurisdiction made my blood boil - since then I have been sending out emails, leaving posts, bouncing ideas off people here. It certainly helps to let off steam, and one of those communications is going to get us the exposure we need and truly embarass the UK Government and expose it for it's dirty tactics.

My recommendation to you if you have time on your hands to worry about never getting your savings back, do something positive towards that end. Get on the campaigning bandwaggon and let's make Alistair Darling's life a misery when he gets held to account for his idiocy, lack of judgement, secrecy and false accusations.

I'm currently building a list of people / sites to lobby. Please dig around yourselves and send me links. I will then arrange to get them put on the site so that we can all hit them hard.

Keep fighting - "Usk ad mortem bibendum" (don't let the bastards grind you down).


Dying Cause

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Yeah, Col, that's me, a government mole...not someone who has lost a load of money in a bank and feeling pretty bad about the situation. What I was referring to in my post was the way that 'today's news is tomorrows chip-paper'. I feel that we have reached the chip-paper stage just now, certainly with regard to the UK public. Many people look to this site for information and are currently very disappointed as the days and weeks go by (not intending to blame anyone here, just the situation).

Some contributors to the site seem to want to create an argument out of every post with which they disagree. That is counter-productive, as is hatred of Alastair Darling, Gordon Brown or the Government and will help in no way at all.


re reply to comment

  • colinalvin63
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Gaz, don't be so defeatist, and when you are, don't spread the doom and gloom here.

Sorry, I find it extremely liberating hating Alistair Darling and Gordon Brown - it keeps me fired up and determined to lobby for our cause and to expose their dirty tactics. Being fired up keeps me busy campaigning, so that's a good thing. At least I'm not just sitting on my sorry behind doing sod all or whinging that nothing is happening - it's up to us to individually make things happen.


colinalvin63

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How do you know I am sitting on my sorry behind doing sod all? See my post above headed "Depressing?" because it applies to you as well. I asked a question and pointed out some truths about the situation, hoping to encourage people to post any information to which they might be privvy. I have every right to do so. I don't go in for personal attacks under the anonymity of a web forum - I feel sorry for those who feel the need to do so.


i agree entirely with the ad

  • go mann
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i agree entirely with avoiding the ad hominem approach ... abusing officials, whether at PWC, IOM or UK achieves nothing. It just closes off another route to a solution.

Website users [and I'm very active in that respect] do tend to use the anonymity provided to say things they feel without the risk of getting a smack in the face. Indeed, I'm just had a smack on the wrist from another IOM Bank ...
"Offensive language will not be tolerated in emails and we would appreciate if you would not continue to use it in your correspondence to us. Bradford and Bingley International provides a safe and secure environment in which to operate your eSavings account."
I was only being sarcastic about their "customer service auto-emails", when I only have £3 left with them anyway, and that email was way back in October!!!

We may well be "out of the headlines" at the moment, but we are all still drilling away at the foundations of the Tower of Deception that is the demise of KSFIOM. A lack of "news' does not mean that people in the Treasury, and elsewhere, are going home at 1700. I'd guess the lights still burn brightly at 2100+.

Good days, bad days ... we all have them. But we have right on our side, and many useful and influential friends in Parliament and in the Media. Another few weeks of baked beans may be needed by some, but I'm still completely convinced a proper solution will be found. Neither the IOM, nor the UK, nor IS, can afford the adverse publicity if it all fails.


New announcement from IOM Government on bondholders

  • darrmont
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The IOM government have made an announcement about the treatment of bondholders which may be of some significance those concerned

http://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=177950&d=340&h=24&f=254


ALREADY BRIEFED

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The site was briefed of this last Friday and advised that the current payout stood at 67p. Unfortunately, we are told, this is likely to drop to 60p by end of January once the advisors, who are charging by the day and Directors, who will be due bonuses!! have been paid. It is not the Government that is delaying the payout, it is the "advisors". Longer they keep it going, more £ for them, less for us.
Sham.


New legal update 8 Dec

  • anrigaut
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 14:01

There was a new legal update from John Wright yesterday. See the public site under Legal/IOM advocate.
Some interesting info there - and more promised soon.

Don't despair - things ARE happening, but we obviously have to be patient a bit longer. The situation is extremely complex. But we are NOT DYING yet!!


Dying cause......

  • Ashoker
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A little while ago I predicted that we would shortly hear some news that would start to open the doors of this awful situation we find ourselves in. I believe that news arrived when the IOM govt. let it be known through the media,( before the court hearing of the 27th Nov.), that they were looking at a restructuring and/or possible run-down of the bank. In my opinion, by doing this, they publicly committed themselves to taking the responsibility for righting our situation (as they should!). At roughly the same time some of the depositors in this group started to employ legal counsel so as to carry the fight to another front. So it is apparent that significant movements have already taken place in the right direction, and we need to give them time to bear fruit. Whilst it is natural we all have our bad moment/moments with the pain of this experience,I believe it is essential that we remain positive as this generates positive action and results. We must not allow pessimism and subsquently, resignation, to creep in. If the current actions do not prove fruitful and I firmly believe they will, you will soon see this site buzzing with more activity!


Dying Cause

  • Tricky Dicky
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Lets be realistic here, KSFIOM was put into 'provisional liquidation' on the 8th October, and this site was set up within a couple of days. We all know, I would think most of us had encountered legal proceedings of one sort or another, that results dont happen overnight. The position we are in also requires political movements, that are even slower (except where it suits them) than legal ones. Without offence, if you were expecting your money repaid back into your account within the week, then you will have to think again. This will take time to resolve, and in the worst case the DCS payout will be it, but until that day arrives we should be prepared to explore every avenue that is 'legally' open to us. It is difficult,, but as someone once said 'dont get mad, get even'
Dont forget there are also charities etc, that are all in similar positions, trying to find chinks in HMG's armour, and potentially once one chink is found then life for HMG potentially starts to fall apart


Hoping and coping

  • Hoping and coping
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We have to keep hoping - and coping... It is really, really hard now, because we have been waiting so long for right to be done. But we do need to try to stay positive - for our own health and wellbeing - and this site helps us do that. I'm still hoping that things are going on behind the scenes - things we can't be told about - and that right will prevail. I think we do still need to be proactive, keeping our situation and stories in the public view, and writing letters where we feel this is appropriate, etc. But I also think that we do need to be patient, and I also think that we need to be very careful about casting blame - we want the parties concerned to help us, not to be antagonised by us. We can make further decisions, and perhaps change our stance, at the end of January, or before, once we know whether there is a "tangible outcome" to the high level discussions apparently going on (see the KSFIOM November 27th update).

Here's what the philosopher Stephen Toulmin said about rationality: "A man [sic] demonstrates his rationality, not by a commitment to fixed ideas, stereotyped procedures, or immutable concepts, but by the manner in which, and the occasions on which, he changes these ideas, procedures and concepts."

Thus, we need, in our attempt to solve this (very large) problem we have, to stay adaptable, flexible, and keep reappraising our strategies. I think we're doing that. I think this might just be a time when we need to go more slowly. So please don't talk about dying, 'cause it's really depressing, and that's not good for us.


Hoping and coping

  • homeless
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This is a very good quote and very pertinent to our situation.

Thanks for sharing it with us.


Thank you, Homeless

  • Hoping and coping
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Thank you. Your response is much appreciated. As you will see, I have come back to read earlier responses on this thread - the supportive aspect of this site is invaluable.


Don't Panic!

  • ng
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News and PR
There hasn't actually been much new news for anybody to cover. The postponement of winding up was significant for us but not of great interest to the public at large. If you haven't already, I suggest you read our most recent Press Release. The angle there is important - that a formal HMT document exists which disallows the return of KSF funds from UK to IoM, yet HMG agree (naturally) that the money does not belong to them.

Teams
There is as much activity as ever going on, though updates are more likely to be posted via the www site rather than directly to the chat site. The "search" link on the www site is one way of seeing a list of all items by date (newest first.)

Web-sites
The evolution continues - the "chat" site becoming the "members only" area and the www site for public and our "official" updates.

Further updates soon.


FOR SALE

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For Sale:

5kg Tub of Grecian 2000 - Works Wonders, will turn the clock back for you.

........didn't for me, unfortunately ...........

100 Euros or 100 £ GBP (what's the difference ?)

Hurry Please or the wife'll not be getting a Christmas present.


I know someone...

  • David9J
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...who might be interested to buy it from you. His name is Mr A Darling, and he lives at No.11 Downing Street, London, SW1A 2AB. I hear that until now he could not afford enough G2000 to cover both his hair and his eyebrows, but he was recently left some money by friends in Iceland. Warning: Don't take credit or IOUs from this man!


Dying Cause ? - NEVER !!!

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Mood Swings. We ALL have them, I guess.

What frustrates me, as an impatient independent non-expert type is the silence (except for the deafening ticking of the charging clocks of the legals and vultures).

Yesterday I was angry, today I'm much more hopeful. There's too much at stake for too many to even contemplate failure.

As we're told "no update = no change" we have to accept that, and look forward to the day when the frowning face icon is replaced by Mr Happy.

Personally I think it would be very helpful at this quiet time (well it appears quiet from here) to learn exactly who all the (much appreciated) "Movers and Shakers / Core Team" members NOW are (and if possible a bit of info eg as into which 'by amount deposited' category they fit, and maybe line or two about themselves, or a link to 'their story', or their own stance.).

For example Lucky Jim, on Sunday, introduced a new Forum Topic re Demonstrations, rather than reply or comment to Lorraine's proposal (earlier that day, I think), which had already received a variety of comments re demonstrations and actions. Immediately I wondered whether that was his own personal response or 'the party line'. [[absolutely no criticism intended, just interested !! ]]


NO to a demo is not a 'party line' + who are the Core people

  • Lucky Jim
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Rather than comment on Lorraine's Post in favour of a demonstration I did my own on why I considered a demonstration was not realistic at this point in time. I did so not to represent an 'official party line' but because I wanted it to be:
1. signalled as a Post in the Action & Strategy Forum
2. flagged to other Groups in the Forum

On the point as to who is in the Core Team: there is no longer a Core Group as such. Rather there is a Core of people with special expertise who fulfil particular roles in the furtherance of DAG's objectives.

This is the list of Core people:

Diver admin
ng Manager admin
491
Andy Ish
cold-dose
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Yes, find it depressing too

  • sami
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 09:45

I too find it depressing just lately. I am 'glued' to the site all day long, but I just find that I'm reading others' speculations instead of hard facts.

I wish that Diver would still post updates. I hope that he and the London team have not abandoned us. I think it is doubtful, but it certainly feels a bit lacking in direction.

If all else fails I content myself with the prospect of hanging myself with a rope, with a sign saying 'Alistair Darling caused this'.


Diver does post updates..

  • Lucky Jim
  • 13/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 23:08

Diver does post updates here in the 'Chat' Forum,
eg:
http://chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/forum-topic/legal-funding-update-91208-...
http://chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/forum-topic/information-london-team

but you should also keep looking in the other 'Information' Forum. http://ksfiomdepositors.org/

In this Forum may I suggest when you come on-line that you first check:
1. The News tab for latest media news items posted
2. the Action & Strategy Forum (under the Forums tab)
3. the legal Forum (under the Forums tab)
4. recent posts tab (which includes those in the right-hand column of this page)


It all looks grim!

  • Bill and Beg
  • 19/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 09:37

I agree with the comment above.
I was so optimistic when this website was set up, but now i feel that there is only one outcome. That is unfortunately the DCS and that could take years.
The only other possibility is if we have any legal rights, but I doubt that very much, otherwise we would have been informed by now.
Although I am truely grateful for this site I feel we keep on going over the same thing time & time again.
Regards


Dying Cause

  • jerrawee
  • 16/11/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 09:27

Perseverence will win through. It always has and always will. Even in the darkest hours, never give up.


Dying Cause

  • grapow
  • 20/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 09:18

I quite understand the depression and have the same severe shifts from optimism to entire depression myself. However I do have confidence that the IOM government truly are trying everything in their powers to secure a satisfactory outcome here. Their entire reputation as a banking centre surely depends on this.

Lets remain upbeat and as positive as we can and we are truly ruined if this does go south on us by the way!

Personally, I find this site so helpful that I cannot express its true worth!

Lets hope for a much better 2009 than 2008 shall we, for us all!


The Darkest Hour Is Before Dawn!

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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 10:01

I to have been so low and depressed that I walked into the BBC Radio Solent yesterday! the TEAM interviewed me about my "Homelessness" and lack of Help from the Southampton City Council, and were onto SCC straight away! I explained the HARDSHIP this causing!!! I also told them this was purly the doing of the UK Government and defended our Plight!

People I am sure are working behind the scenes and the OUTCOME WILL BE A POSITIVE ONE!

IT JUST TAKES TIME!!

Dawn


Well Suprise suprise!

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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 12:40

AT 11am this morning I had a Phone call >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone might Be going to actually Help?

The BBC do care Please be positive and Proactive!

We will get our Money Back in the End!!! "There's more to this than meets the Eye"

Dawn


Goodie

  • Julienne
  • 16/10/08 31/08/09
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 13:00

Good - I am glad - you sound like you deserve it --
I am with you an the last statement - -


Sad and puzzled

  • Saddest
  • 23/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 09:55

What puzzles me most is why our key players have all disappeared. Not posting and not even apparently logging in any more. Why? It disconcerts me. Do they know something we dont? Good or bad....Thats one major reason why we appear to aimlessly speculate like a bunch of headless chickens.


Don't know if I qualify as a

  • expat
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 14:18

Don't know if I qualify as a key poster, but I am still working on all this with the IoM team. What we know is that hope is not lost, things are happening, but it does take time, especially as the UK doesn't seem to want to play ball. There is plenty of effort, but its not easy to write positive postings all the time!!


Thanks Expat!

  • sami
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Wed, 10/12/2008 - 14:55

Good to hear from you Expat. Hope life is treating you well and family is fine. Sami


Expat thanks

  • Saddest
  • 23/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Wed, 10/12/2008 - 14:16

Thanks for your comment Expat, reassuring to hear your "voice" again


Me too

  • gazfuk
  • 12/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Wed, 10/12/2008 - 14:45

Thank you Expat for your reassuring comments.


They have a private area.

  • VeryWorried
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 13:46

They have a private area. They are probably right in this, as it keeps us non-key players from interfering, potentially slowing any progress down.

Wish we were provided with more updates from the main guys though. Looks like we all feel a bit abandoned.


Private Area

  • Tricky Dicky
  • 24/10/08 30/05/09
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  • Tue, 09/12/2008 - 13:59

I am not sure if they have a private area or not, but obviously it would be impossible for them to discuss potential stratergies in the open. It has been my experience that sometimes when you are discussing stratergies, having meetings etc, others have to come back to you with answers/solutions, and these dont happen overnight. Some people involved in this have daytime jobs to do, families to look after, elderly parents to attend to etc etc, and still they put in their effort/time/resources for FREE. No one has been adandoned, but sometimes they use their time to try and find effective resolutions to our problem, rather than giving 'updates' to say that nothing has progressed in the last 2 days