Darling was on the Politics Show 16/11 - but our questions were not put to him ....

  • podather
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NB:The heading to this Post has been edited by editor/moderator after the programme


I did another TV interview yesterday at the request of BBC North West
It was a follow up on the one the did when the story broke a month ago
It will be broadcast this Sunday at 1pm on the Politics Show on BBC1 as part of an item about our plight and the future for banking in the Isle of Man
Our best friend Mr Darling will be appearing LIVE on the show and they have requested viewers to email the show with questions they would like them to ask Mr Darling.
They may already be lining up there own questions to ask him about KSF IOM already but I think we should use this opportunity once again to pressure him on the subject
and email the show (as requested) in numbers the relevant up to date questions we want answers to.
The sealed court papers, our missing £550 million, Likely value of asset book of KSF UK etc etc etc

There mail address is politicsshow(?)bbc [dot] co [dot] uk

or via thislink http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/politics_show/7719331.stm

Lets see what he has to say for himself this time

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REPLY FROM BBC

  • lorraine
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have just now received the following reply from the BBC which looks positive. Perhaps if we continue to email this will actually happen.

Thank you for your e-mail.

We note you were disappointed that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was not questioned on the collapse of the Icelandic bank Kaupthing, Singer and Friedlander during his interview on the 'Politics Show' on 16 November.

The programme issued a broad appeal for questions that viewers would like to see put to Alistair Darling and were grateful for all the suggestions they received.

They did debate raising the issue of Kaupthing, Singer and Friedlander with the Chancellor but felt that the issue would need more context and explanation than it would be possible to offer in the time available during the interview.

The team at 'The Politics Show' are very keen to cover the issue – but want to do it justice. As a result they are planning on covering it in the form of a short film with a reporter. This will hopefully be broadcast either in next week's programme or the following week.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact us.

Regards

BBC Complaints


I have be sent exactly the

  • cottesmore
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I have be sent exactly the same.I think it proves all the doubters wrong again!!!
If you keep writing/emailing,things happen.


Me too....!

  • JC1
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Got same reply - word for word.


Politics Show

  • FEDUP
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Sam Woodhouse from The Politics Show, telephoned us yesterday and said they would send a team to us on Thursday morning to interview us regarding KSFIOM.
Quite hopeful that this will happen. They must have received many emails and letters and hopefully it worked.

Why do I always have a problem with the Captcha code. Sometimes complete up to six times!


Good news from the BBC

  • romasanta
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I received the same reply.
Very good news I think - we must have shifted some opinion with our email questions & complaints.


Same reply

  • caledonia
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  • Tue, 18/11/2008 - 11:56

I have just received exactly the same reply.


Politics show

  • homeless
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  • Tue, 18/11/2008 - 17:54

Also got same reply.


Politics Show

  • Alastair
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We've also received this reply. I think we need to keep the pressure on by all replying to this email highlighting the main issues and where relevant our personal stories. Unless of course anyone from the core team is already handling this.


Reply from BBC

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I have just received exactly the same reply. word for word


Publicity

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Hi Everyone,
Not sure about this idea, would appreciate some feedback.
As we received nil coverage with the BBC on the “Politics Show” (and yet to receive a reply from them to our complaint), just wondered if it was worthwhile / possible, to approach Jon Snow at Channel 4 News to ask if he could interview the Icelandic Prime Minister again (following up from 2 to 3 weeks ago). As it looks as though they are going to receive their IMF loan anytime soon, it would be interesting to see Jon Snow ask the Icelandic PM when are we going to receive our money??
Let me know what you think and if this is a go-er, how to proceed??
Cheers.


Jon Snow on the Icelandic PM

  • sambururob
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Great idea !!


Problem with video's fixed - now uploading

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Problem identfied & new codects installed (18.20, 17/11/08) the interviews are now currently uploading file name BBC North West Politics Show Interviews (once ready on youtube will delete the old file BBC NW interviews), the others will follow shortly when I re-encode to the editing software.

New file names for the Darling will be :-

BBC North West Politics Show AD-1
BBC North West Politics Show AD-2

I do have the Vince Cable interview from the show if anyone's interested - again nothing re IoM - just the general state of the economy..

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HOW TO COMPLAIN TO THE BBC

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What a disappointment!

I suggest we ALL make a polite but firm complaint to the BBC expressing shock & dismay that the Producer did not allow any of our questions to be put to the Chancellor: Here's the link to the complaints procedure:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complaints_stage1.shtml

Here is my Complaint:

I am terribly upset, shocked & dismayed that the Producer did not put to the Chancellor any of the many questions sent in concerning the horrendous plight of British taxpayers who stand to lose their entire life savings throughthe collapse of the Kaupthing Bank in the Isle of Man.
You really can have no imagination as to the appalling tragedies that are unfolding on account of this banking disaster as people are reduced to penuary after a lifetime of hard work & diligent saving for their old age.

PLEASE please put on a programme to highlight this terrible state of affairs. There are many heartbreaking stories on the depositors' website & many people would be willing to come on your programme, or any other programme devoted to this calamity.

www.ksfiomdepositors.org

Sincerely, LJ


Darling's conscience

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Despite him not being asked a question about us I'm sure he was aware that the programme had been bombarded with questions about KSF and Landsbanki. We will have made an impact....


BBC

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Probablay not worth the effort as I'm sure Darling will have known what the questions were in advance and refused those he he didn't want to answer. Haven't you noticed that questions are never asked about the cost of the Irak war but I've done it anyway.


The Politics Show

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I wrote to the Politics Show yesterday, stating how disappointed we all were as our important questions were not put to Alistair Darling. I have just received an email saying they are keen to follow up with us regarding our plight.

My husband is on the telephone to them right now.

More to follow later


This is exactly the sort of

  • cottesmore
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This is exactly the sort of positive feedback we all need.Whilst i understand that, 'its to late,' for Darling to be asked our questions.At least there is a chance for further media coverage.We need any and as much as we can get. With all our complaints to the BBC and the show itself,this is a positive result for all our efforts.
Well done to all who emailed and wrote letters.I would suggest more are sent,dont you?


My BBC Complaint

  • romasanta
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I registered the following complaint just now:

Re: Your questions to the Chancellor

I was very disappointed that no questions were chosen to ask the Chancellor on any other topic than the main thrust of the interview - the same questions were repeated over and over in different word order or selection that made for a very boring and time-wasting opportunity - easy meat for Mr Darling to chew on and spit out.
I submitted a reasonable and balanced question (see below for copy) that had it been asked would have provided additional interest and a varied colour to the interview.
Thousands of others who find themselves in a similar predicament to me, I know would have benefitted from hearing a response from the Chancellor - and many, many others would have been informed of an important issue that apparently has been swept under the carpet by the UK government (and the BBC?).

Please try to bestow your audience with a level of thinking intelligence and avoid the plain vanilla one-size-fits-all approach that the BBC seems to adopt these days. I'm sure you would be rewarded with a more appreciative audience.

My question was: Does Mr Darling agree that the current demise of the IOM bank Kaupthing, Singer & Friedlander is the result of "collateral damage" caused by legitimate action targeted at the UK Kaupthing bank AND that he is working toward a solution that will repatriate the ill-fated UK deposit of £550M, 100%, to the IOM bank's depositors?

Yours sincerely,
(Romasanta)


suggested amendments

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suggested amendments:
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Lucky Jim's letter:

I am [terribly upset, shocked &] dismayed that the [Producer] PRESENTER did not put to the Chancellor any [of the many] questions [sent in] concerning the horrendous plight of British taxpayers who stand to lose their [entire] life savings through the collapse of the Kaupthing, SINGER AND FRIEDLANDER Bank in the Isle of Man. ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND VIEWERS SUBMITTED MANY SUCH QUESTIONS.

You really [can have no imagination] CANNOT IMAGINE [as to] the [appauling] APPALLING tragedies that are unfolding [on account] AS A RESULT of this banking disaster, as people WHO HAVE SPENT THEIR LIVES WORKING HARD AND SAVING are SUDDENLY reduced to penuary [after a lifetime of hard work & diligent saving for their old age].

[PLEASE] Please put on a programme to highlight this terrible state of affairs. There are many heartbreaking stories on the depositors' website [give address] [&] AND many [people] OF THE DEPOSITORS would be willing to BE INTERVIEWED ABOUT THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES [come on your programme, or any other programme devoted to this calamity].


The Politics Show 16 Nov 2008

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Complaint lodged with the BBC. I await their reply.


BBC Complaint - raise the profile

  • mike-r
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Agreed - everyone should send a complaint - as you can also request a formal reply from the BBC when you submit your complaint....please tick that box/option.

This way we have a formal traceable log of :

(a) Did Mr Darling pre-filter the questions or choose the one he would answer "on-air"...that is what any press trained person would do :-(

(b) Did the BBC actually have our questions and just not raise it ?

Eitherway get complaining -as the BCC will then have to respond to us - the audience and licence fee payer.

On my fifth variation of complaint now.......so do it


Complaint

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Done..


What is the point?

  • gazfuk
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Complaining to the BBC? What can this achieve - the show is done, finished and forgotten. We tried to get questions aired, but did not manage it on this occasion.

By the way, I hate to mention this again, but calling Gordon Brown and Alastair Darling playground names ..........can only be counter-productive. Their actions may have indirectly caused the situation in which we find ourselves, but they are also our best way out of this. Surely we all want to encourage them both to do the right thing?

There is a tendency to write things on an internet site that we would never dream of saying to someone's face. I hope that is what is happening here. We are all upset - let's try to be adults and maintain at least some self-respect.


I did complain to the BBC

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I did complain to the BBC regarding the lack of questionsto Alistair Darling on our behalf. I received an email from the Politic Show and they are going to telephone me this afternoon. Please don't be so negative.

Another point although personel to gazfuk, is could you please change your offensive name, is it really necessary to lower the tone of this web site?


gazfuk - the point

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The point is that the BBC will run another program which will consider our position or that the next time it airs a similar program it will be careful to include our position. This is increasing the awareness of the BBC to our plight.


The point is...

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...to put pressure on Darling and the BBC. We need to keep our issue in the public eye and although we failed to get any questions asked despite contributing more than all the rest put together we can complain and the complaint can keep our issue alive. The BBC has been generally poor at covering this issue compared with CH4 and the broadsheets.


Latest News - Britain does a deal with Iceland on Icesave

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Latest news is that Iceland has done a deal regarding foreign deposits. Presumably this will include the UK's Icesave. I hope this is good news.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUKTRE4AF21F20081116


Latest News - Britain does a deal with Iceland on Icesave

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Its difficult to know how this will impact directly, but any thawing of relations must be a good thing, I guess.
I just hope there is a direct effect on KSF


Agree completely ... ad

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Agree completely ... ad hominem is TOTALLY unhelpful. "The Chancellor of The Exchequer" has enough opprobrium attached already; no further descriptions are needed.


Beautifully put...

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GoMann...I have to confess I had to look these up! Personal attacks detract from the legitimate argument.


Sorry, mate ...

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Sorry, mate ... Whitehall-speak!

Translates as "Don't be insulting the barsteward, even if he is one" ;-)


Please flag as offensive if you think it is

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this Forum is moderated but we can not read everything.
Please flag for our earliest attention gratuitous insults & abusive
language, and any other offensive material you come across.

Likewise 'trolling' & 'flaming' is not acceptable in the Forum as
it contributes nothing to the furtherance of the Forum's aims & Mission.

L J ..admin'/editor/moderator


over-moderation

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Lucky Jim,
I think you, and the others running this site are doing a greate job
I for one don't agree with Elgees comments below regarding overmoderation.
If comments are seen as offensive, then you should err on the side of caution; irrespective of any legal issues there is not point in aggravating people in an already potentially precarious position.
There have been cases where those publishing sites like this have got into legal difficulty.
Keep up the good work !!!!


Whats the point?

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The point?? Can't believe after what we are all doing on this site you could be so negitive to say "Whats the point!"

The point is that the BBC need to know that we are a determined group of people who are not going to be stopped by their failure to question Alistair Darling.

Do you think if they recieve hundreds of complaints they might just do a feature on the show on another day? .... possibly

Do you think if we do nothing and say "Whats the point!" there is a glimmer of hope that they will feature us in a future show.... not a chance

The fact that the BBC either chose that we are not newsworthy or that they agreed with Darling before hand not to ask our questions is reason enough to complain, and thats what we should all do.


Wht's the point?

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mariatown, I stand by what i have said. What is to be achived? You think they will call him back and say, 'Hang on a minute, Chancellor, there is something we forgot to ask you..." I don't think so.

A war is made up of many battles and we have lost this one. We need to move onto the next - to seek out opportunities to get our argument across.

What I say is not negative, it is realistic and pragmatic.

By the way, I still believe we will get most of our money back. That's pretty positive, eh?


Whats the point?

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I'm glad that most of the others on this topic don't agree with you and they ARE complaining to the BBC.

Nobody said they were going to say "oops Alistair we forgot to ask you a few question" I agee that the interview is done and dusted.

It doesn't stop the Politics Show running a story in the future though. After all complaints to the BBC are about programmes that have already gone out, it doesn't mean the viewer can't complain.

By the way I also find your Tag name offensive!


gazfuk

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The name is from my email address, suggested by my ISP when gazf wasn't available.

Gaz is my nickname, which is short for Gary
f is the first letter of my surname, & I live in the UK..........................
.............................................................................................

that's all you need to say by way of explanation..........moderator


over-moderation

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Lucky Jim (I presume it is you) - your moderation is becoming over-enthusiastic in my view. You have gone beyond merely removing offensive material and now appear to feel that you should also be able to determine how much people need to say (see above) about a subject.


over-moderation

  • manx-person
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I think Lucky Jim is just being cautious.
There are people out there that will litigate at the drop of a hat.
The last thing the publishers of this site need is the threat of legal action.


over-moderation

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The material he is removing, to which I am referring, is not remotely actionable.


over-moderation

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Well these people arent legal beagles they are just been cautious.
Anyway comments can sometimes offend I guess without been libelous.
Its all about keeping the peace.


over-moderation

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I did not suggest the material being erased was defamatory - it was you who first mentioned litigation. My initial point before you gave us the benefit of your irrelevant opinion about litigiousness was that some material is unnecessarily being removed.


over-moderation

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Well I think if information that causes offence is being removed then I think that is a good idea.
I am sorry you find my comments irrelevant, truly.
I would much rather the forum be overmoderated than insufficient attention be paid to this.
I understand there have already been threats of defamation actions that have been made off forum.
Accordingly the moderators are being cautious - Well done moderators I say!!!
I think they should be congratulated for all the hard work they are doing.


over-moderation

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I know of only one complaint concerning allegedly defamatory material - made by a foreign commercial entity - and I and another London team member dealt with it. There was no threat of a defamation action.

My point remains - material which is not remotely actionable is being removed because one moderator is over-reaching himself.


Darling/BBC

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What might be interesting to find from the complaints system - if we do - is wether or not it was Darling or the BBC who decided not to answer/ask the questions. I have also asked that the BBC forward all the questions to Mr Darling, pity his postman if they do


I agree with you mariatown,my

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I agree with you mariatown,my wife and i,have sent complaints in to the Beeb.
The more people we write to,the quicker they pay us our money back, to finally, "shut us up!"


I agree

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I totally agree and have complained


Complaint to BBc re The Politics Show

  • ferrandiere
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Have just sent emails from 3 different addresses complaining to the BBC about the interview with dearest Darling! One from me, one from my husband and one from the dog!


BBC Politics show

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AD was on for about 15 minutes and all the questions were in regards to taxation, unemployment and the general economy


Video's Darling & IoM interviews

  • skintagainnow
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As the darling aspect of this didn't contain a single entry from all the questions emaiIed, is it worth editing and uploading, or should I just go for the NW - specific interviews on the IoM question.

Will leave it for a couple of hrs before uploading anything - get some feedback from the group.