DAG Membership numbers

  • nivit
  • 19/10/08 31/05/09
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Posted: Fri, 23/01/2009 - 11:48

Hi are there members out there who have joint or multiple accounts who have only one account holder registered if so please make sure that each account holder registers as a DAG member, numbers count!

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Looking for more members

  • ng
  • 11/10/08 31/12/20
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  • Mon, 26/01/2009 - 00:55

I've added "Are you a Depositor?" to the public site front page, and Please register to the forum site front page.


Derbyshire BS Group

  • Jean-Charles Marlier
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 13:05

I take note,that you still haven't replied to my query as to why there is a "remove membership"next to my name?By the look of it,I seem to be the only one to have that "distinction"....


Sorry J-C I didn't reply

  • nivit
  • 19/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 13:46

Sorry J-C I didn't reply because I didn't know the answer. I contacted ng and here is his reply;
This feature seems to be causing confusion for a few people. The
option is simply there to provide an easy way for a member to remove
himself from a Group (doesn't remove from the site, only individual
groups.)


Hi,Nivit

  • Jean-Charles Marlier
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 14:28

Thanks Nivit,

              I have NO intention to remove myself from the Derbyshire BS Group,I,like you has too much at stake,and do feel that Derbyshire should and must have been more thorough when they started their idea to sell our funds to KSF IoM.Anyway,can't re-write history.Let's hope for the best on the 29th.

Take care Nivit,
Regards from Jeddah,KSA,
J-Ch


user numbers

  • Anonymous
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 09:12

If the chatline / Action Group seeks to increase numbers wouldn't this best be done by trying to reach out to the vast majority of ksfiom depositors who are currently not registered here as users ??


I'm with you but have you go

  • nivit
  • 19/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 16:19

I'm with you but have you go any ideas on how to achieve this.


Thinking out loud

  • cottesmore
  • 21/10/08 16/07/12
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 18:38

Ask Simpson for names?
Or ask him to write to all depositors and tell them about DAG?


Contacting other depositors

  • ng
  • 11/10/08 31/12/20
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 20:39

That would not work for data privacy reasons. We might persuade him to post a "Please join" message from the DAG into his updates, and perhaps include it in the next mailing. Another route might be an advert in the press, but which country?

The DAG web-site is very easy to find on Google, e.g. search for kaupthing isle of man and we are #2 after KSF themselves. So, I conclude that those depositors who have not joined here either (1) don't use the internet (older people) or (2) don't see the benefit of joining. I think (1) is the more likely explanation.


Other depositors

  • Anonymous
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 22:19

How many people in the UK had internet access in 2008 ?
I have a recollection of reading an estimate of "70% of families".
(Admittedly a smaller % for over 65s, bigger % for higher income etc)

How many depositors are UK citizens living elsewhere ?
The DAG poll figure was, what, 65% (probably overstates the proportion) and I'd guess the % of all ksfiom depositor 'UK citizens living abroad', regardless of age, having internet access is very high (for work purposes, for keeping in touch with family and friends etc).

But if only 20% of ksfiom depositors have registered on this site then I think lack of internet access is not THE reason why so few have registered here.

In addition the DAG poll suggested about 35% (?) of depositors were <£50k, whereas Simpson's numbers claim 69.5% of depositors are <£50k.

How can more depositors be attracted to swell numbers, and to correct the concerning <£50k / >£50k imbalance ?


Non-members

  • ng
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 23:01

If you are right, then surely they must have found us (assuming they're interested in the KSFIOM topic at all), so if they haven't registered than why not? There is of course a separate membership for the www site, where membership is slightly higher (a little over 2400 currently) but that may include a higher proportion of non-depositors (journalists, etc.) then here.

In other words, if they haven't found us, they are not looking. If they have found us but haven't registered then why?


Members not registering

  • Anonymous
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 23:14

I suspect many ksf depositors may be pursuing this site but don't register because of their fear of entering their email address on ANY website. As you know a lot has been made of viruses, maintaining ones privacy, etc. so this may have something to do with their reluctance to register.


More likely that they feel

  • Captain Mainwaring
  • 11/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 23:18

More likely that they feel that there deposit is small enough not to bother, or that it is otherwise protected.

I don't believe that privacy is the issue when it takes 5 minutes to make an anonymous email account.


According to Google

  • ng
  • 11/10/08 31/12/20
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 23:42

According to Google Analytics, unique visitors are running at around 1500 per day. Now, we know that "active" DAG members are very roughly 700, and the recent "testing communication" poll indicates something broadly similar (its a bit early to tell.)

Conclusion, if 1500 people are visiting per day, only perhaps 500 of them are the "hard core" members - those who visit on a daily basis. That would leave a further 1000 "ad hoc" visitors. Hypothetically, if those are visiting every three days on average then there would be some 3000 "watchers" out there. This is of course "finger in the air" stuff - visiting every 5 days would imply 5000 "watchers", and so on.

Well, I am going to update the "welcome" page on this site to try to encourage a larger number of registrations.


membership numbers

  • banna
  • 15/10/08 01/03/10
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  • Sat, 24/01/2009 - 15:54

I cannot see that number of accounts held is at all relevant as the DCS stipulates that for the purposes of compensation the entitlement is per depositor irrespective of the number of accounts held.
However, we as a family are registered as one DAG member but we are 3 persons: my wife, my mother-in-law and I. Between us we hold 6 accounts - 2 of us are well above the 50k threshold and one of us is below it. I suspect there may be other registered members with an equally complicated background.
There is no point in us registering as 3 members. Only one of us is ever going add comment to the site.However, our appearances in the media have featured 2 of us - those with the best 'public sympathy' profile.
But,if it comes to public demos or storming the barricades all 3 of us will be there.


I think you miss the point.

  • nivit
  • 19/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 25/01/2009 - 13:54

I think you miss the point. The influence of the DAG is directly linked to the number of depositor it can legitimately claim to represent ie the number of members who are depositors, thus all depositors should register irrespective of whether or not they intend to contribute to the discussions here.


DAG Membership numbers

  • ng
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  • Fri, 23/01/2009 - 21:16

From a human perspective, my membership here on the site represents a family of 2 adults and 2 dependent children (under 5) all badly affected by this thing (not to mention extended family indirectly affected.) The KSFIoM account itself is solely in my name. We've never defined here here that having an account on the site implies anything in particular, other than the "Are you a depositor?" question.

So I agree numbers are important, and possibly we need to get some more statistics. Number of family members, dependent children, etc. seem relevant to me in terms of the human impact. The issue of personal data comes up again, but now that at least I have created our privacy policy statement I can update it to suit, and that way members are at least informed. I am open to suggestions and will set up the necessary stuff if decisions can be made.


Membership Number

  • howagcr
  • 18/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 23/01/2009 - 14:22

Nivit, please explain what you mean with membership numbers. My wife and I have a joint account. Do we need two numbers. at any rate, I do not remember to have received a number at all.
howag


Sorry if I wasn't clear. If

  • nivit
  • 19/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 23/01/2009 - 17:05

Sorry if I wasn't clear. If both you and your wife are members of the DAG separately then there is nothing to do but if only one of you are registered then the other should also register. This will legitimately boost our membership, the more of us there are the more clout we have.


Sorry if I wasn't clear

  • wood
  • 12/10/08 30/05/13
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  • Fri, 23/01/2009 - 19:53

My wife isn't able to register because we share the same email address which is already registered


how about a gmail account?

  • brokefirefly
  • 12/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 23/01/2009 - 20:05

An easy way round this would be to go to www.gmail.com and set your wife up with a gmail account. It's very easy to use and friendly, just ignore the (keyword targeted) advertising on the right hand side of the screen!!


how about a gmail account?

  • wood
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  • Fri, 23/01/2009 - 20:12

Thanks for that, bff. Will do that.