Continue to take it to Brown and Darling

  • Equus
  • 14/10/08 08/06/09
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Posted: Fri, 28/11/2008 - 11:34

Some years ago I ran a small company and had waited over six months for payment on a large invoice from a company. I heard rumours that the company was in trouble so I engaged the services of a mobile billboard company, put my amusing but pleading message for payment directly to the Managing Director using his name and sent the billboard around where he lived and around his suppliers and business associates.
Within hours, I received a phone call from the apologetic man asking me to remove the billboard. I assured him I would but could he first have a cheque for what he owed me left at the reception for me to collect. Men in high position often hide behind the organisational structures which they head but still imagine that they can retain their reputations and respect with colleagues, friends and family even when their businesses behave appallingly.

Do you recall the conservatives' use of a mobile billboard to draw attention to Brown's 'bottling-out' of the election call? It was covered in the national press.

I suggest we consider some satirical imagery which highlights the issues concerning us and employ a political cartoonist to dramatise the ideas. Put your brain cells to work and imagine what might attract the attention of the main media - national papers or TV.

I have downloaded a rate card from one of the billboard companies ( postersonwheels.com ). From £235 a day for an eight hour day it is an impactful medium which may with the right message, help keep attention on our plight.
I for one am happy to put a contribution towards its production and media cost. Furthermore if the idea gains acceptance, I shall be happy to co-ordinate its production. So... what do you think?

Sit and trust the politicians, not me. Let's continue to be proactive.
~ Floored.

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From: <888ian888(?)gmail

  • Equus
  • 14/10/08 08/06/09
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From: <888ian888(?)gmail [dot] com>

> I'm really, really pleased that your idea has received such a positive
> response.
>
> Please accept my comments in the spirit I intend.
>
> My views:
>
> 1) Your draft is a bit too complex. It's a lot to take in when the viewer
> (presumably) only has a very limited time exposed to it, whether he, or the
> billboard, or both, are moving.
>
> 2) Are Hippo and Ratty your own creation, or are they already accepted
> characters/caricatures? If they are not known, then maybe selecting some more
> easily recognisable cartoon figures as metaphors would leave more time for
> the viewer's brain to grasp the actual message? I suppose that then there
> might be copyright issues.
>
> 3) Not 'expatriots', I think. 'Expatriates'. We are not British ex-patriots -
> at least, not quite yet.
>
> 4) I'm not sure we want to imply that we are after 'compensation'. I thought
> that our first line of attack is that the money deposited by KSF(IoM) in
> KSF(UK) is enough to pay us all in full and that therefore all that we want
> is our own money back (money half-inched by HMG) and not 'compensation'
> a.k.a. bail-out.
>
> Finally, it didn't seem to me very easy to post a comment on the site itself
> in a meaningful spot. Hence this email.
>
> Let's hope the billboard does come to pass. It's a great idea, not least
> because it presents a good 'video-bite'. Hey, a new phrase (?).

Response from Floored:

Thank you for your feedback. To address your various points:

If the idea is to be used only on a billboard, you are correct, there is too much to take in. The intention is not to have any of the copy at the bottom and to reduce the headline at the top to a single statement. As I wrote, my draft is a starting point for discussion.

Hippo and Ratty are my own creations and they would need to be drawn by a competent cartoonist so they resemble the loveable pair. If that can be achieved then the need to find alternative representatives may not be necessary. But if you have a better idea, please let me know.

Expatriates. Of course, sorry, I have quite given up on the mother country yet. A Freudian slip perhaps.

Regarding Darling's comment, you may be right. Perhaps he could say "Give them their money back? No need Gordon.." etc.
~ Floored


Are we having a billboard?

  • sami
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 02/12/2008 - 11:24

I'm sorry if I have missed any ongoing conversations on this. Are we going ahead with this idea? I believe it is worth doing because it highlights our cause and shows that we aren't going away.


Item 4 Comment re Return of Funds

  • wipeout
  • 16/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Mon, 01/12/2008 - 20:56

Note that return of the KSFIOM funds held by KSFUK will not give us back 100% of our monies.

There is approximately GBP500-550m held by KSFUK. This, together with the GBP+100m already recovered by PWC will only return approximately 75% of our deposit. To achieve 100% there must be a realization against the loan book to bring the total return up to a figure of approximately GBP800-850m.


item 4 Comment re Return of Funds

  • podather
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Mon, 01/12/2008 - 22:51

I am not so sure.
HMG have only ever offered to cover retail depositors money 100%
Wholesale depositors so far have been left to fend for themselves.
I dont think anybody has yet confirmed what percentage of the £800-£850 deposited in KSF IOM was
from retail depositors but I am positive it wont be 100%
My guess would be more like 60-70%
If the £500-£550 million was recovered, added to the other funds already realised then it would quiet possibly
allow the IOM Govenment to offer the same 100% return of funds to retail depositors HMG did.


Ideas

  • cottesmore
  • 21/10/08 16/07/12
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  • Mon, 01/12/2008 - 19:04

I feel we may need to include/use, the initial statements made by, Darling and Brown.
"No UK depositor will lose money and we will do what ever is necessary"
I will try and think about some witty way to use these comments as well.


"United Kingdom, was instrumental in bringing down ... Iceland"

  • ng
  • 11/10/08 31/12/20
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"Iceland’s parliamentary delegation to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) has opened a current affairs debate by suggesting that “a Council of Europe member state, the United Kingdom, was instrumental in bringing down the economy of another member state – Iceland.”

http://finchannel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25559&It...

Perhaps Iceland should be shown in your cartoon as turned on end and sinking into the sea?


Regarding mobile billboards - suggestion from the 'floored'

  • Equus
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  • Sun, 30/11/2008 - 17:55

Thank you for all your encouraging comments about my mobile billboard idea.
I have a very rough draft of a suggestion for you to consider. I'm no cartoonist and it would need substantial polishing. Unfortunately there seems to be no way I can upload the PDF file from this page so I shall have to get it onto the site another way. Please look for a file named Hippo&Ratty.
~ Floored.

Since I posted this, I have uploaded the image under News Item.


Uploads

  • ng
  • 11/10/08 31/12/20
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  • Sun, 30/11/2008 - 23:06

You can upload with a forum posting, but not an individual comment.


Request for additional Compensation from UK Government

  • Jackie
  • 30/10/08 27/12/09
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  • Sat, 29/11/2008 - 00:19

Is anyone interested in getting together with me to request a further guarantee of £50,000 from the UK government to UK citizens and tax payers with deposits in KSF IOM, in addition to the Isle of Man Depositor Compensation Scheme's guarantee of £50,000? If the Isle of Man hasn't yet got the funds to compensate us how are we going to live for the next 10 or 20 years? We could start by signing a petition.

Jackie


Jackie - compensation

  • sami
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 30/11/2008 - 18:07

I think I speak for other depositors when I say that our aim is to recover 100% of all depositors' savings. Your suggestion, as I understand it, is that it would benefit UK savers only and only to a certain limit.

Some of our fellow depositors are not UK citizens, or UK residents. I want to see ALL depositors recover their savings, irrespective of whether they are represented by the British government and irrespective of the relative level of their deposits in relation to my own.


Good idea

  • jenren
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 28/11/2008 - 23:40

I will put a donation in for that. Amazing idea.


Viral marketing?

  • ng
  • 11/10/08 31/12/20
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  • Fri, 28/11/2008 - 22:53

Yes. Anything that tells them that they can't discount us. I would like to go the viral marketing route but we don't yet have the material.


Fully support...but...

  • investor01
  • 13/10/08 n/a (free)
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  • Fri, 28/11/2008 - 22:12

I think this is an inspired idea - a cost effective way of getting the message across. But we need to be so careful as to how it's done. Satire I'm up for but it can so easily turn into sarcasm and simply backfire. However we want to embarass our targets, at the end of the day we will need their co-operation and so I'd favour something a little more serious about the pain that some people on this forum are suffering. The press will certainly respond to humour - especially if it's attacking the Govt - but will respond equally well to a perceived case of misjustice and the Govt not seeing fair play prevail.

A suggestion to take this forward is to come up with an approach/wording as you suggest and then perhaps use a poll on this site to make sure the majority are in favour. After all, this action will be very visible and we want to make sure that all (most) of the ksfiomdepositors support how they are being represented.


Billboard Action

  • jamjar
  • 11/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 28/11/2008 - 21:21

Brilliant idea ,suggest he or she be audible as well as very visible.Initialy around Downing St, then on to Fleet St. TV and news media alerted in advance.More info needed for the most effective days.


Like the idea

  • icdbrazil
  • 10/10/08 30/11/09
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  • Fri, 28/11/2008 - 21:03

Like the idea. If not resolved we embarrass them into action, making it abundantly clear we will not be going away. Either that or (and) full page adverts in the national press - expensive, but effective if content well thought out to really expose gross incompetence , underhand actions, complete disregard for depositors etc etc.


Unless the Adults advise

  • go mann
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 28/11/2008 - 19:53

Unless the Adults advise otherwise, I'm in for £50 of that ... make sure the Media are pre-briefed, of course!


I like this a lot.I'm in Why

  • cottesmore
  • 21/10/08 16/07/12
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  • Fri, 28/11/2008 - 19:00

I like this a lot.I'm in
Why shouldn't we atract more attention?


Pointed humour

  • smlitalia
  • 19/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 28/11/2008 - 22:23

No surprise that this appeals to you Cottesmore! Me too but I think it might require some very careful thought to get the right wording as jokes which backfire can be disastrous - just ask Wussel & Wossy.
What were Gorgeous Gordon's exact words concerning the protection of British savers - something along the lines of 'safeguarding British depositors' wasn't it? Well I don't feel saved and I suspect the majority of KSFIoM depositors are both British (even if expat like me) and feeling the same. I wonder if a moral jab might be in order here - certainly not any accusations regarding stolen money or the like.


Posters on Wheels

  • ianhkhi
  • 12/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Fri, 28/11/2008 - 12:10

Love your imagination.

[ BTW, you just gave me an idea for how to maybe recover a sum (what used to be a small amount) that is owed to me here in Hong Kong. ]

How can we get your idea rolling for us KSFIoM depositors? Do you need funds? Agreement from us? Maybe a legal opinion on how to avoid libel?

I'm all for your idea and for any other unusual notion that gets us firing from new and unexpected quarters.

Whoops, I didn't mean firing as in.....