Contacting a select group of sympathetic MP's to form pressure group in HMG?

  • glen07
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I think there is a suggestion to try and get a group of sympathetic MP's to form a pressure group. No individual MP is willing or effective in forcing an enquiry or continued notice into the KSFIOM mess. Can a standardised letter, which we can also add our own individual stories and circumstances, be created and sent to a group of MP's, which we feel have taken some notice in our plight? It is for us all then, to take the time to send a letter/fax/email to them and meet up with them at Westminster. Is this possibly a worthwhile project? Maybe a list of MP's, who have shown some interest in our situation, be created?

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DST is in regular contact with MP's + issues of confidentiality

  • Lucky Jim
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For information DST has regular contact with MP's & MHK's (eg: TSC) & issues them with statements & briefs as appropriate (eg: Vince Cable was given a concise & comprehensive brief for his visit to the IoM in May).

Regrettably there are often now more 'guest's than members online here and it is suspected that some of these frequent 'guests' are people who are not friends, having ulterior motives for looking in on us. Also there are members who are not here with the aims & objectives of the DAG at heart. In view of this DST is unable to give as much information as it would like to do.

Members may be assured that DST is most concerned about its inability to be able to share more openly & fully with members through this Forum,

and it is considering ways as to how this important issue of confidentiality can be overcome to enable genuine members to be kept informed of issues like liaison with MP's as well as the issues of strategy & tactics being followed to fulfil the DAG's Mission.

In the meantime DST might make a short statement on the topic of contact with MP's.


DST and MP contacts

  • anrigaut
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The latest DST update, now posted under the site banner on the front page here:
http://chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/blog-entry/new-site-banner-2
includes a short statement on this subject.

It confirms that communicating with politicians and working to engage cross-party support is a key DST activity. While it is obviously not possible to post full details of all contacts, your input and cooperation are always welcome.

Maybe the movers here should contact DST via KSFIOMDSTContact(?)gmail [dot] com to better coordinate activities and avoid unnecessary - and possible counter-productive - duplication of effort? Just a thought ...

Together we can ...


Proof of Debt forms

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Re the IOMtoday article - its in the news but i dont know how to comment there

I cant believe that there are 4500 people who have not sent in their prrof od debt yet.

I sent mine weeks ago and had the bank telling me I hadnt and i should have registered it etc. ( again Blame the victims ) I exploded doen the phone and whatydoyaknow- they 'found' it in about 5 minutes

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/39KSF-40IoM41-creditors-should-be.5559274.jp


Proof of Debt

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Same happened to me. I also was rather annoyed particularly as I had requested an received an email acknowledgement two weeks before!

When I telephoned, after getting no response to my email, my documents amazingly turned up!

Depositors are paying for this inefficiency both financially and emotionally!

It is also particularly irritating as the Proof of Debt is a statement produced by SImpson well after the suspension which in my case added back a transfer that had been blocked!


@ bellyup

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The date of the judgment reported on by IoM Today is 5 August so probably a number of the 4,500 filed their prrofs of debt between 5 August and 12 August (including me). Interesting that over £ 200m has now been recovered which means our dividend should go up from 14.5p in the pound.


Ulterior motivation?

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LJ: "Regrettably there are often now more 'guest's than members online here"

Often? When? At the time of my writing this, for example, there are 20 members and 12 guests. But in any case it means nothing - anyone who wanted to spy on us would logically sign-up as a member (otherwise they can't see most of the content) therefore a guest is less likely to be a spy than anyone who is logged in.

Perhaps more visitors are arriving as a result of youtube videos and other activities bringing people to the site. Who is doing the regretting?

LJ: "and it is suspected that some of these frequent 'guests' are people who are not friends, having ulterior motives for looking in on us."

Who is doing the suspecting? What are ulterior motives in this context? Most, but not all members here are motivated by the desire to get their money back. Would any other motivation be ulterior?

LJ: "Also there are members who are not here with the aims & objectives of the DAG at heart."

How do you know? Who are they?

"LJ: In view of this DST is unable to give as much information as it would like to do."

You seem to imply that you know this secret information possessed by DST. Is that the case? How do you know? Put simply, what facts are your statement based on? Or is it simply assumption?

Lucky Jim, please don't post unsupported claims, exaggerations and hype.


LJ - "might" or "will"?

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Thank you for your comment. I was wondering, looking at the last line of your posting, if DST "might" or "will" be making a statement. As so few of these are forthcoming, these days, you can understand how faith in any leadership is faltering. If you want to "lead from the front", that's what you have to do. A group is only as good as its leader/leaders. Leader need to be a good commanders with good communication skills and inform its followers. No information leads to misguided notions, distrust, frustration and then mutiny. I'm not here to knock anybody just to keep our objectives going with some momentum. It's all gone frightenly quiet out there from the DST.....


I agree with glen07. Whilst I

  • barrona
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I agree with glen07. Whilst I am sure DST are working on various initiatives with the prime objective of obtaining a 100% return of depositors money, the lack of communication does lead to an element of discontent creeping in.

I fully undersdatnd, as I am sure do other affected depositors, that there are still matters at a sensitive stage and that these cannot at present be divulged for the fear of 'showing our hand', but a more constructive dialogue must be employed by DST to enable all of us to be aware of what is going on.


P.S.

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When I made this posting, I didn't want it to be a topic leading to a "bun fight" between members. Only post constructive information or thoughts to this thread, please. I don't mind criticism of this idea and members' attitudes to it as long as it doesn't become vociferous, just objective.


group of MPs as pressure group

  • banna
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Glen 07,
At probably exactly the same time as you posted the idea of a group of MPs as a pressure group I was floating exactly the same idea in a long running debate I was having on the site with Its Theft. I have been out of action for the last 6 days and now come back to the site to try to advance the ideas.
I also floated the idea that any interest group which wishes to advance its agenda through a legislature - particularly in UK and USA- put a lobbyist into action in that legislature.
I agree with you that we certainly do not need to see these ideas develop into a squabbble. We just need to determine if/how we can move them forward.

It seems to me that we can consider advancing by doing one of the following:

a. Find one of our number who has a particularly good contact with an MP and ask that person to find out whether that MP contact is able/willing to act as the focus for an MP pressure group. If so, the rest of us who have good contacts with an MP could mention it to our MP and put those MPs in contact with the focus point. I think we need to limit that group or MPs to 6 or 7 in number.
I have already said that our MP is a disgrace, and so we could not start the process. The 3 possible focus points I can think of are : one of our number who has a brother who is an MP, Mary Creagh who was outstanding in defence of her constituent in the early days, and the MP for Bournemouth West, Sir John Butterfill, who seemed very helpful to one of our number.

b. Propose that DST find somebody to act as our lobbyist at Westminster and ask that lobbyist set up the pressure group. I don't know how long we would need the lobbyist for, nor his cost. And we would no doubt have to make a special appeal to collect funds to finance it. I would be happy to contribute to that because I think it could be effective.

It seems to me that we now need DST to examine the ideas and decide whether they fit in with their programme and how to advance them


If it helps there are a

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If it helps there are a number of other supportive MPs, Henry Bellingham; Sir John Butterfill; Austin Mitchell (yes!), Mark Hoban (he even wrote to me in Moscow!); Oliver Letwin: there are others I have been in touch with myself. Even my local MP is responding after I copied a letter to a BBC contact that I wrote to him!! One of those MPs mentioned suggests that A Darling is spiking efforts to publicise this affair by the way.

There are others who no doubt would shout louder if they could. However, one thing that has always failed to materialise is a cross party group, it's been suggested before and I know members of HNW have met and spoken with numerous MPs when I was still in Moscow. I have also had contact with a number of other depositors, when we all helped each other so to speak, with letters to these MPs by the way. It has been happening, but needs a hell of a lot more of you to write to get a real impact.

The lobbyist idea was put up many months ago by Peter Wakeham, but never seemed to get off the ground for reasons I know nothing of!!


Good suggestions

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Banna,

These are excellent suggestions and the DST is looking at how such a group can be brought into existence. The most important task is to find not just a supportive MP but also one who feels strongly enough that our situation cannot be ignored and who has the gravitas to persuade colleagues likewise.

The DST is in touch with a number of MPs who may fit the bill and feel that a political solution assisted in this way is a key step in reuniting us with our savings.


@ glen07... your comment is appreciated

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Thanks glen for your constructive comment.

I am neither the leader of the DAG nor am I acting as an appointed go-between between the DST & this Forum! I honestly don't know who from the DST looks in on this Forum, but I have passed on verbatim your comments & that of baronna to a DST rep.

Let me take this opportunity to say again that I do indeed have a financial vested interest in the DAG's campaign and am just one of a number of members who is very pro-active in support of the DST & the DAG's Mission in every practical way that is possible. (harnessing the internet through Youtube, twitter, facebook, correspondence with newspapers, online journals like Manx Herald, promoting our cause in other forums,my personal blog, managing as webmaster the complementary website, linking to the blogs of others, etc. etc...)

I shall continue to play my part in this campaign in support of everyone with >£50k at stake until the day we win it -- or until such time as the DST asks me to stop! (:


Thanks to lucky jim

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I for one would like to thank lucky jim for the direct action he has coordinated, thanks che


Well said glen07

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I think perhaps many members feel the same as you and you have put into words what many are thinking. Since the huge debates over the SOA and CC committee (which lost many of our members), nothing much has been forthcoming from the DAG. I do understand the problems of posting on this site, but if this be the case, THEN IT IS DIFFICULT TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL IT IS SORTED, as this is the main line of communicatin for many. Nothing much has changed in our lives so most people still feel the need to feel involved/know that something is being done or that they can contribute, hence continued letters to MPS and videos etc. The DAG may indeed be keeping MPs up to date, but we don't know that, so supporting letters from other depositors can only go to support OUR cause - we are after all, supposed to be a group. If no leadership/guidance is evident, then it is obvious people will follow their own inspriation. Conned started her Youtube video campaign as she felt with no other visable evidence, this was the way forward. She has had great support and good for her. You don't normally get trial runs at this sort of thing, so I do what I can and incorporate guidance and inspiration from others which I find on this site - but this is becoming less and less. I have in the past contacted people directly by email, but feel this is intruding on their privacy and am uneasy doing it. So where do we go from here as we are in this long term......... ???????????


@caledonia - DST communication

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You are quite right. Communication has been a big problem, for all sorts of reasons. But as LJ says, DST are acutely aware of this and are trying hard to do better! Can we all try to give them a chance?

See my post above and the latest banner here: http://chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/

Don't give up! Together - we can ... !


@ caledonia...you are quite right

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You are quite right in what you say. Right from the beginning there has been no rule that says membership of the DAG is subject to a member NOT being able to do whatever they feel is right for them. There's quite a few members who are acting in their own interest and some members have banded together to look after what they feel are their 'special' interests. But the body DAG is one together & the DST is there for all members & not serving the interests of sub-groups in any exclusive way. Very difficult to 'manage' but DST IS doing it!

That said members need to know that DST does indeed have liaison going with MP's & other parties, & all I have sought to do is to make you all aware of that because I am aware of it and it is no secret in itself!

As I posted (above) DST is accutely aware of the communication problem & it is being taken care of -- that's official! ( :


LJ

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Thanks for your reply. Could you just clarify how it is that despite not being part of the DST, you seem to be "in the know" as to what they are doing more than anyone else on this forum. This is purely a question as if we could all be "in the know" as you are, it might just help.


@ caledonia -- nothing mysterious

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If you go to http://www.kaupthingiom-dag.co.uk/ and click on 'strategy team' you will see the composition of the DST & its Support Group. The members in the Support Group assist the DST in a number of ways. I have been involved in a multiplicity of roles one of which has enabled me to say what I have here.

I will add that I have also been involved in 'intelligence' gathering & I do indeed have evidence that there have been 'spies' accessing the Forum. One day there will be a book (& a film!) about this dreadful fiasco when all will be revealed! It will be a book with a happy ending because right now we are on the way to accomplishing the DAG's Mission. ( :


@LJ: Do you mind stopping shouting?

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As for more 'enemies' than friends.. if what is posted is accurate and honest then ... where there is no wound no poison enters.

I can't believe that we're being monitored. This is patently ridiculous. Some might swerve by here especially after the youtube entries etc.. but they are hardly going to be impressed by seeing expressions of paranoia. How do you think Gandhi won?

This is no time for playing games. Basically games are the refuge of scoundrels. Ask yourself who has been playing games.

Now let's cut the 'up the ante' 'agitprop' and just get on with it.

Thank-you.


Any IOM MP's out there with a sense of responsibility

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I add this comment, posted back in February 2009. It would seem that the Isle of Man does want to stand responsibility for their own financial affairs so wonder if anyone has had contact, with any IOM MP who feels that, indeed, this is the case and feels an enquiry into KSFIOM, its demise and the FSC's involvement in any decisions which led it there, should be held?

"Link:
Governments-2782

The chief minister has told a United Kingdom Treasury committee that the Isle of Man will take responsibility for its own financial affairs.

Tony Brown, together with the chief financial officer and the chief executive of the Financial Supervision Commission, has today been questioned in London by a panel examining the UK banking crisis.

Mr Brown (pictured) was asked if depositors with Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander Isle of Man, who were waiting for their money after the bank's collapse, should look to the UK for redress.

He replied:

"I wouldn't necessarily know why that would be. (But) I can understand the argument about the freezing of the assets, which of course we have concern about.

"As far as the situation for the Isle of Man (is concerned), we are accepting our responsibilities and endeavouring to rectify the situation."

Mr Brown was asked if the depositors were right to seek redress from the UK government. He replied:

"I think that's a matter of opinion for them. I don't think the UK government is responsible for the financial affairs of the Isle of Man."


Juan Watterson

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Juan Watterson seems to be the only one.


@bellyup: Somebody told me...

  • follow_the_tao
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-- that Juan Watterson wants to be the next Treasury minister. He's KPMG conditioned. look at his record: what did he actually say and when?
Naievety (has not been ) is not serving us well.
These guys know they are running a 'low-cost financial centre' (tax-haven). They know that many of the DAG depositors were there for that reason ( I mention no names but some high profile HNW's must have been there for that reason E.G. what were GB and 'Lieben' doing there? (by the way I wasn't - hence I'm was a fool in hindsight)). Juan Watterson knows the game. He's offered himself up to steer the whitewash. He is not going to rock the boat. I assume he's a self-interested twat, and I invite him to disabuse me of this. I will be writing to him.
The one thing that will win us a platform and brownie points is excruciating honesty. It's the only weapon we have against their dissemblence. Let's do some stat's on tax avoidance.
Their only point of weakness is the directors and the FSC. And they know it, believe me they know it! But they have a 'pet' judiciary. Hence they circled the wagons and protected, ironically (watch out Watterson), an ex-Treasury minister, not because he was 'one of them' but because his stupidity was a menace to their position. Cynical bastards, or just realists?

By the way bellyup: the manxforum thread was closed the day after I posted my second comment. There was nothing untoward at all about my comment, it was 100% accurate but a little provocative, I don't know what else could have been posted to worry these 'manx forum hardnuts' but I can't imagine what it would have been. We've been closed out. Our task is to open the doors again.


Please jog my memory

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I wonder if anyone can remind me of a female MP, who back, when the KSFIOm first foundered, showed support for our loss. Was she an MP from an Irish constituency or a northern English one?


Mary Creagh

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I believe it was Mary Creagh MP for Wakefield ( she is of Irish decent)

( please someone correct me if I am wrong)


Thanks bellyup

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Thanks that's the one. Any more contact been had with her from any member?


MP Pressure Group

  • caledonia
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I agree this is a good idea and wish to do all I can to help.
A friend of ours who used to be an adviser to Magaret Thatcher still gives talks to the C party (although admits most of his former contacts are now either dead or in jaol!) He is trying to push our cause whenever the opportunity arises. He managed to speak to David Cameron himself once about this once and his feedback was that DC was appalled by it, but at th emoment has only one thing on his mind and will do NOTHING to jeopodise the election campaign. But he got the feeling we are likely to get much more co-operation from MP's after the election. Please - I am not saying this to be negative, rather to bear this in mind when composing letters.


Thanks Caledonia

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Thanks for this. Does your contact have any other Conservative MP's who show some concern for our plight. When would he suggest is the time to strike for MP co-operation?


Glen07

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I will speak to him again and find out more....... I have just printed off the DAG response to the Foot Report which he has asked me for, together with information of EVA JOLY. .. it seems the debacle of the TAX HAVEN ISSUE and using the TERROIST ACT are of the most interest to them. Apparently he speaks to the C party at a "Monday Club" whatever this is. Will keep you informed.


Labour MPs?

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Are'nt there any Labout MPs out there who are sympathetic or have some sense of justice?

Is there no one out there from Wigan?

Neil Turner managed it for Dave Whelan !


Sympathetic MP's

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I know the Treasury Select Committee didn't produce any appreciable results, mostly thanks to turn tail evidence, but I did think many of them had fully understood the situation and were doing their utmost to elicit the "right answers" under questioning.
Would it be worthwhile including them?


cypheath

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Definately!


Write in with suggested MP's names

  • glen07
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Could members please write in and suggest any MP's who have shown some interest/sympathy for those affected by the demise of KSFIOM. I know there are a myriad of letters sent off to MP's, Treasury members, etc in the past but is there a suggestion, for any one letter, which succinctly summarises our situation to which we can add our own personal circumstances? Any suggestions would be welcome and I can compile a standardised letter from them, which all members, of DAG, can utilise to send to a core group of MP's. I will suggest a meeting with them at Westminster. DAG strategists - suggest a number of MP's that you think would be sufficient for a pressure group, please.


MP Pressure group

  • ItsTheft
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For what it's worth, I'd reckon it would be a good project! Is there anyone in the mottley ranks who is a good wordsmith?

Barry Sheerman, Roger Gale, John Hemming? Initial thoughts....


Sounds like a plan

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I like your objective of a concerted effort to get a group of MP's involved in our cause and it's something I would be willing to help with in whatever way I can. You really hit the nail on the head by emphasizing the need to tell our personal stories. The harrowing stories drive home the human element of what will otherwise be dismissed as "just another banking crisis" - one of many.


REALITY CHECK

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I am loathe to admit it but I am now a sick old lady and so I am promoting myself as such. From now on my battle cry is, 'SICK OLD LADY TAKES ON THE BIG BOYS' I have sent the video off to all and sundry with this heading in the hope that it will catch on and show that ordinary people have a voice and can be heard. No longer will be led about by the nose and tied in knots by all sorts of scoundrels. If you have a heart rending story, please use it in our efforts to gain public support.


Sympathetic MPs

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I'm not sure how many MPs you need but Patrick McLoughlin, West Derbyshire is my MP and has been approachable and supportive although he seems to only be able to forward the standard replies to me. Being a Derbyshire MP I feel he ought to be fully involved anyway. He has had other constituents contact him so is reasonably well informed too. I'd be happy to make further contact with him.


steve/sympathetic MPs

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Mr McLoughlin is my MP too and I had much correspondence with him at first, but I too only got standard replies. I agree he needs reminding we haven't gone away and this debacle remains very much unsolved. Mark Todd, the Labour MP for South Derbyshire always seemed very supportive of us and seemed to understand where we were coming from. Is he still in contact with DST? Are we all holding our breath to see what comes of the DSC or, like me, do you think it is all a cruel delaying tactic.


Mark Todd

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I can confirm that the DST is in touch with Mark Todd. Correspondence with MPs can be erratic at this time of year due to the summer recess.


Bank balance is in continued recess

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Thanks for getting in contact about this matter. I understand that the MP's are erratic in their replies due to the summer recess. My bank balance has been in recess since October 8th, 2009! I prefer their kind of recess to mine...