British MPs on mission to boost ties with UAE - SEND THEM A LETTER/E-MAIL/FAX

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British MPs on mission to boost ties with UAE
See article
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20081117/NATIONAL/899168679/1010#prima...

Might be worth Middle East depositors e-mailing these MPs frmo the UAE all-party parliamentary group.

Dear Sir,

In your recent visit to the UAE, as a member of the UAE all-party parliamentary group, it was reported in the UAE press, The National, that members of your group considered that the UK has become complacent in its relationship with the UAE and should make more of an effort to forge collaborations or risk being left behind by rival countries (http://www.thenational.ae/article/20081117/NATIONAL/899168679/1010#prima...).

Not only has the UK been complacent with its relationship with the UAE, the British government and its representatives overseas ARE complacent and ARE ignoring the predicament of large number of UAE-based British expatriates and their families who have been affected by the failure of the Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander Bank (Isle of Man).

BLAH BLAH BLAH INSERT ABOUT YOUR SITUATION

I am writing to you in desperation, because my family lacks a representative in the Houses of Parliament where important decisions will be made by the British government that will directly affect the future of my family and determine whether we and the other depositors will see a fair outcome to a terrible injustice. In short my family has no one else to turn to. We do not have an MP in the UK who can represent us, because we reside in the UAE. ‘Why not contact your local Ambassador’ you might suggest. Well, my family and many other families in the UAE have appealed to the Ambassador, Mr Edward Oakden, at the British Embassy, but no response has been forth-coming, despite many, many, many communications. We feel terribly let down that at the time when we need our local representative to make our case known in the corridors of power, that all we get is silence.

Your group is concerned about the relationship of the UK and the UAE. Well, please consider the fate of the British UAE based depositors of Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander Bank (Isle of Man) in this relationship. We are a community of diverse professions, coming into contact with UAE Nationals and a wide range of other communities. Many of us come into regular contact with important decision makers. The shame we feel at the unjust treatment that we have received from the British government in London and the apparent deafness and disinterest of its representatives overseas may have consequences that are counterproductive to the objectives of your group. Moreover the despair felt by families and individuals will lead to tragedy for many. Families will be ruined and many desperate people who have lost everything may consider taking their lives. I can speak with confidence, because I have been close to the depths of despair myself. But compared to many people the situation of my family is ‘fortunate’, we have not lost everything, we are young and still have time to start again. But there are many people in the UAE who may potentially loose everything they have ever saved, indeed everything they have ever owned. Some of these people are close to retirement; some have recently moved countries and just had the bad luck of having all their life savings in one bank that has failed on the Isle of Man. These people are in a desperate situation that has been precipitated by the actions of the British government.

Yours sincerely,

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Important reply from Douglas Hogg MP

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26th November 2008
Dear XXX,
Thank you for your email regarding British expatriates in the UAE.
I have, written to the Chancellor of the Exchequer raising the points raised with me. There do seem to me a number of considerations here.
My general position is and always has been that the Government is not a guarantor of last resort. I recognise that this Government has in fact extended in effect guarantees to a number of depositors who were not covered by the general guarantee previously in existence but I am very cautious about extending that principle.
The general proposition has to be that in the first instance depositors look to the compensation schemes which were in force at the relevant time in the country and in the jurisdiction where deposits were made.
Prima face therefore you have to look to the Isle of Man authorities for compensation in respect of your lost deposits and if there be a limit on the sums recoverable then you are caught by that limit. I find it difficult myself to argue that the British Government should, in this context, stand as a guarantor of last resort to cover losses which the Isle of Man compensation scheme may not cover.
The above propositions are, however, subject to at least two provisos.
I have always accepted - and I think it is an important principle of practice and law - that if the British Government was in some way at fault then the British Government should pay compensation to the extent of the loss caused by their fault. That is a principle that has, for example, been adopted in the case of the Barlow Clowes failure and it is going to be a principle invoked in respect of the Equitable Life losers.
There is a further consideration which is one which you address in your emails; the question being raised is that in effect the British Government has seized assets which are properly the property of the Isle of Man branch of the bank. If that is right and that money which was the property of the Isle of Man branch has been wrongfully siezed, then it should be returned. I understand that there are applications by the Administrator of the Bank to achieve that result. It seems to me that in the first instance at least it is for the Courts to determine whether or not assets which were seized by the UK Government were in effect either wholly or in part the property of the Isle of Man branch. If that is the case then I hope that those funds will be rapidly returned to their true owners.
I am sorry to write what I know will be a somewhat depressing email.
There does have to be a limit to the British Government's obligation to cover loss. Where their responsibilties lie in any particular case is going to be a difficult question but I cannot argue that the British Government should cover the losses of all depositors who have some connection with the UK however much I might sympathise with them. Such a liability would be almost infinite and well beyond our capacity to afford. We must proceed on the basis of law and settled principle.
I am raising the questions about British expatriates you have raised at the end of your email with Alistair Darling and I will come back to you when I have any response to hand.
With best wishes,
Yours sincerely
Pp Signed in the absence of Douglas Hogg QC MP from London to expedite receipt

The Rt. Hon Douglas Hogg QC MP

28th October 2008


Fax number to complain about ambassador

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This is the fax number for people wishing to send a complaint letter about the level of support we have received from Hm rep the Ambassador. Fax number was missing off my last communication on this.
complaint [dot] consular [dot] services(?)fco [dot] gov [dot] uk
Consular Directorate
Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Old Admiralty Building
Spring Gardens
London
SW1A 2PA
Tel. 020 7008 1360. Fax. 020 7008 1456


ambassador non-response

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Homeless,
Thanks for writing. As far as I am aware from the thread on this posting, many have written to the ambassador, but none have had a reply. This is unacceptable in my humble opinion. I am sure he has a staff and secretary. We need as many people on our side as possible and I think he needs to be reprimanded for his lack of interest. I suspect the MPs who visited the UAE are a better resource, because they will appreciate that Brits working over here will, where possible try to source products from the UK etc, over the years I am sure we ahve all contributed greatly to the stream of UK exports to the UAE. In the chain of export-suppy we are I think pretty important!


Thanks maxsweep

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Thanks for riting to these people. The MP contact list should be accessible....have you managed to track it down?


TEXT FROM COMPLAINT LETTER RE: AMBASSADOR ATTITUDE

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THIS IS MORE OR LESS THE VERSION OF THE LETTER THAT I GOT RELATIVES TO POST FROM THE UK AND WHAT I ALSO E-MAILED. I DO NOT LIKE COMPLAINING, BUT I FEEL THAT THE LACK OF RESPONSE FROM THE BRITISH EMBASSY IN ABU DHABI IS INTOLERABLE. WITH ONE WEEK TO GO TO LIQUIDATION THE LEAST WE CAN DO IS KICK THE AMBASSADORS POSTERIOR FOR HIS FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE.

Consular Directorate
Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Old Admiralty Building
Spring Gardens
London
SW1A 2PA

Thursday, 20 November 2008

Complaint against the deafening silence from the Ambassador, Mr Edward Oakden, at the British Embassy in Abu Dhabi to the plight of the British depositors of the Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander Bank (Isle of Man) living in the UAE.

Dear Sir,

Members of the UAE all-party parliamentary group from the UK recently visited the UAE. It was reported in the UAE press, The National, that members of the UAE all-party parliamentary group considered that the UK has become complacent in its relationship with the UAE and should make more of an effort to forge collaborations or risk being left behind by rival countries (http://www.thenational.ae/article/20081117/NATIONAL/899168679/1010#prima...).

Not only has the UK been complacent with its relationship with the UAE, the British government and its representatives overseas in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office ARE complacent and ARE ignoring the predicament of large number of UAE-based British expatriates and their families who have been affected by the failure of the Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander Bank (Isle of Man).

My wife and I are UK nationals who have had the privilege of living in Dubai for the last 6 years. As we do not have a current UK address, we have not been able to open new UK accounts and we, like many Brits living in the UAE, deposit our savings in offshore banks, in our case in the Isle of Man. The bank we used was the Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander Bank (Isle of Man).

We now find ourselves in an unfortunate predicament - the actions of British Government in freezing the assets of Kaupthing UK led the Icelandic Government, which had just nationalised the parent bank Kaupthing hf, to withdraw its support from the Isle of Man entity. At the time, this was fully solvent but, due to this situation, is now in provisional liquidation. According to the creditors meeting in October, 60% of the funds of Kaupthing IOM were loaned to the UK operation and are now frozen, as are the 25% of funds loaned to the Icelandic parent bank. It seems clear that the entity is indeed solvent, but its funds are locked in to other parts of the organisation in the UK and Iceland. The UK edition of the Guardian covered the plight of affected savers on Saturday 18th October, go to http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/oct/18/savings-familyfinance

My family and many other families in the UAE who have been affected by the fall-out of the Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander Bank (Isle of Man) debacle have appealed to the Ambassador, Mr Edward Oakden, at the British Embassy to represent our interests. We wrote to the Ambassador out of desperation, because working overseas we lack a representative in the Houses of Parliament where important decisions will be made by the British government that will directly affect the future of our families and determine whether we and the other depositors will see a fair outcome to a terrible injustice. To date no response has been forth-coming, despite many, many, many communications from many people.

I presume that the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, as a Government department is concerned about the relationship of the UK and the UAE. Well, please consider the fate of the British UAE based depositors of Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander Bank (Isle of Man) in this relationship. We are a community of diverse professions holding British passports and we come into contact with UAE Nationals and a wide range of other communities. Many of us also come into regular contact with important decision makers. The shame we feel at the unjust treatment that we have received from the British government in London and the apparent deafness and disinterest of its representatives overseas in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office may have consequences that are counterproductive to the objectives of your Office. Moreover the despair felt by families and individuals will lead to tragedy for many. Some families will be ruined and many desperate people who have lost everything may consider taking their lives. I can speak with confidence, because I have been close to the depths of despair myself. But compared to many people the situation of my family is ‘fortunate’, we have not lost everything, we are young and still have time to start again. But there are many people in the UAE who may potentially loose everything they have ever saved, indeed everything they have ever owned. Some of these people are close to retirement; some have recently moved countries and just had the bad luck of having all their life savings in one bank that has failed on the Isle of Man. These people are in a desperate situation that has been precipitated by the actions of the British government. These are British people, who, when in their moment of need, when they asked for the interest and support of their local British representative, were greeted with a deafening SILENCE.

.....PERSONNEL BIT..................... At this time, the first time we have ever looked for support from our government in the UK and from its representative here in the UAE, for an injustice that has affected our lives, we have been let down and are ashamed and disillusioned by our countrymen representing us and by our institutions of government.

Please could your office enquire as to what actions the Ambassador has taken to represent the Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander Bank (Isle of Man) depositors in the UAE. Perhaps the Embassy is busy working behind the scenes on behalf of depositors, but is just poor at communicating how hard it has been working on our behalf? However, time is running out for depositors and hence the urgency of my complaint. On the 27th November the bank may be put into liquidation by the courts in the Isle of Man. At that point depositors with funds in excess of the Isle of Man depositor guarantees may lose the majority of their life-savings? Perhaps the Embassy is under-staffed and people have been simply too busy to send a simply reply (even, thank you for your communication we will get back to you in due course). Simple courtesy, in the way of a letter or other correspondence replying to British Nationals who make appeals to the Embassy might actually improve the public relations between the Embassy and the British Nationals in the UAE. Otherwise silence may be interpreted as an attitude of disinterest and lack of sympathy.

We face an anxious wait over the coming days and weeks and hope that this issue can be brought to a speedy resolution. Any actions you can take to bring this issue to the fore and to represent the interests of us and other affected UK nationals in the UAE at this incredibly stressful time will be invaluable. You can find more information at the website: http://www.ksfiomdepositors.co.uk/.

I would be grateful if when someone in your department replies they do more than simply send me a standard copy and paste standard reply from the FCO and HMT. I and the other depositors have learnt one lesson from this situation – that if you are overseas and need the help of your British Embassy - Do not have any expectations that you will be helped. It would be appreciated that you could review the procedures that are in place at Embassies so that in the future when UK Nationals like ourselves make a request for help, that we are not ignored and are dealt with humanely.

Yours sincerely,


Visit of Parliamentary Committee

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This is the first time I have found comments from other Middle East KSF IOM depositors and am glad that I did. I live in Dubai and have written to the MPs who have been visiting UK and, if I can get the e-mail addresses for all UK MPs I will also write to them. Let's see what response we get to our e-mails and thank you FalconVet for posting the information.


Official Complaint about ambassador

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After politely reminding ambassador that he has not replied to much communication I took the decision to also complain about his attitude. I think other folk have also complained.
The complaint procedure is:
If you are not satisfied with the support you receive and want to make an official complaint, please write to the FCO Director of Consular Services at the following address or email

complaint [dot] consular [dot] services(?)fco [dot] gov [dot] uk

Consular Directorate

Foreign and Commonwealth Office

Old Admiralty Building

Spring Gardens

London

SW1A 2PA


emails to all-party parliamentary group

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Done last night; pointing out the difficulty I would have trying to hide my distress/disgust from ALL local contacts at our situation first being inadvertently created then deliberately ignored by UK govt officials and local representatives - not helpful to the purpose of their visit. Hugo Swire's returned. Rest OK.


e-mail to all-party parliamentary group visiting the UAE

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I've just come across this forum. Like many others I'm finding information hard to find at the moment but this is only a temporary glitch until the new site is 100% up and running.

I've just sent an e-mail to all of the members of the all-party group.


Hugo swire e-mail not working

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Yes, my test message to him just now was returned so best to fax him


My fax to Mr Swire and Others..

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Dear Mr Swire,

I am a British overseas national who has had the privilege of living and working in the United Arab Emirates for the past 12 years. During this time I have been a champion of British business and my projects in the UAE have awarded Contracts to British firms worth millions of pounds.

The reward for my hard work has been the "theft" of my life savings in the collapse of the Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander bank - Isle of Man (KSFIOM). My wife and I have been left with nothing through no fault of our own.

The comments made by Alistair Darling at the recent Treasury Select Committee didn't help at all. Mr Darling made reference to the Isle of Man as being a "tax haven sitting in the Irish Sea". I would like to assure Mr Darling that most depositors in the Isle of Man are merely honest, hard working, British expatriates. With no UK residential address, it is extremely difficult to open a UK based bank account so offshore banking is the only realistic option. In short, it is the next best thing to banking at home.

British Nationals based overseas are the backbone of British export business generating much needed revenue for the UK economy thereby supporting jobs across the nation. By leaving us out in the cold, HMG is making a grave error as any efforts to forge better collaborations with the United Arab Emirates will never succeed in the longer term without the support of locally based British expatriates and professionals.

KSFIOM depositors are not seeking any financial support from British tax payers. Rather, we are seeking the return, to the Isle of Man, of funds currently held by Kaupthing UK (totalling GBP550million). Kaupthing UK was placed into administration by HMG and the court papers relating to the event have been sealed. Furthermore, we are looking to HMG to represent the interests of the Isle of Man in its negotiations with Iceland in accordance with its constitutional obligations. From the comments made by Mr Darling I am not convinced the Isle of Man and its depositors are being fairly represented.

British Expatriates lack representation in the Houses of Parliament where important decisions will be made by HMG that will directly affect our future. I have appealed to our local Ambassador, Mr Edward Oakden, at the British Embassy, but he has not even afforded me the courtesy of a response despite many communications. I would therefore ask you to put the following questions to HMG on my behalf:

  • Why are Mr Darling and Mr Oakden so reluctant to help hardworking British expatriates?

  • Why doesn't Mr Darling unseal the court papers relating Kaupthing UK?

  • What is the status of the GBP 550 million of KSFIOM depositor's money currently held by Kaupthing UK?

  • What is the likely value of the asset book of Kaupthing UK?

  • What is the likelihood of our money being returned to the IoM?

Best Regards,


good letter

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Softlad66,
Good letter. Covers some different angles from mine which is great.


Thanks again Softlad

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I am an expat but born and bred westcountry girl. I have been emailing all of them with so far only an acknowledgement from Ben Bradshaw (Exeter MP) as I could only provide an Exeter postcode - but I continue to email him nevertheless. Have emailed Mr. Swire again as suggested.


Contacting Mr Swire

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Dear Caledonia,
Thanks for the followup - another person told me their e-mail to hugo swire bounced back...but I think mine went...might be worth faxing him as well to make sure.
FV


Thanks Softlad

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Thanks Softlad - I am not sure what the other Middle East depositors are doing. It is certainly a problem accessing this site at the moment and the confusion of being between sites may make it hard for people to see messages................but..............have you seen the messages about complaining about the (non) response of the Brit Embassy?


Wake up Middle East depositors

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Bad timing to announce this with all the website changes and down time, and general confusion/difficulty to access groups and topics...but as far as know only 3 people from the Middle REast have shifted into action and contacted the recent grp of MPs and/or complained about the Ambassador.
We have one week to make a stink....come on folks


Middle East depositor

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Hi FalconVet

I too am a Middle East depositor and I faxed Edward Oakden on the 3 November and to date have not received any acknowledgment.

Following your good example I am now writing to the British MP's who recently visited the UAE.

Many thanks for what you have done, let us hope they give us some support.


Middle East depositors

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Hello Falcon Vet, I'm based in Saudi Arabia and am Irish though I lived in the UK for 24 years. I no longer have a UK vote so I don't think I would be entitled to write to any MPs or the UK Ambassador here in Saudi. I am sure there are other Middle East depositors who are in a similar situation and that may be why many are not responding to your call for people to write to these guys. Neither can I use the argument that I am useful to the UK in terms of promoting British business. I can only sit here and hope that others who are, will be listened to. That's not to say that if there was something I could do, I wouldn't do it - that may be difficult to untwist so what I am saying is I will help in any other way I can. Thank you Falcon Vet.


British Relations/Friends

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Brennajm, you may not want to own up to it but if you or any one in your position has relatives or friends who can vote in the UK they can write to their MP's for you. In fact if you have their postcode and email address and get their agreement you can even write the letter on their behalf.

go to www.writetothem.com or www.theyworkforyou.com


British relatives/friends

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Good point BC,
We have done this and have 5 family members in different parts of the UK writing to their MPs and MEPs and they are also forwarding the press releases and other info as we send it. It means in our case our efforts are magnified 5 times....if we are all able to do this 8,000 becomes ......(a long number...which after a stiff drink is over my head!)


Not British - who to write to

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Hello BC, since I wrote the message that you responded to, I saw another person's message and it directed me to write to MEPs. So, since that time I have sent e-mails to 7 Irish MEPs asking them to draw attention to our plight in the European Parliament as I surely fall under that umbrella. Thank you for your suggestion of getting friends to write on my behalf - I will have to think of who might agree to do that - I have told very few people (apart from the whole world through this website!) at home what has happened.


Emails and Faxes Sent

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I have sent emails and faxes to the MP's you have listed along the lines suggested. However, I have sent several such emails over the past month and had only one reply. Not even my own MP has responded (I'm a registered overseas voter). I am based in Sharjah.


CONTACT DETAILS FOR 6 MPS WHO VISITED UAE

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British MPs on mission to boost ties with UAE
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20081117/NATIONAL/899168679/1010#prima...

UAE all-party parliamentary group
Conservative MPs

Hugo Swire MP East Devon
East Devon Conservatives
9C Mill Park Industrial Estate
White Cross Road
Woodbury Salterton
Exeter
EX5 1EL
Fax: 01395 233903
jgcob(?)globalnet [dot] co [dot] uk

Andrew Robathan, MP for Blaby Leicestershire
Andrew Robathan MP, House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA
Telephone: 01455 283594
Fax: 01455 286159
Email: andrew(?)sthleicsconservatives [dot] com
South Leicestershire Conservative Association
51 Main Street,
Broughton Astley,
Leicestershire,
LE9 6RE
Telephone: 01455 283594
Email: office(?)sthleicsconservatives [dot] com
South Leicestershire Conservative Future
51 Main Street,
Broughton Astley,
Leicestershire,
LE9 6RE
Telephone: 07764759826
Email: conservativefuture(?)danielhayward [dot] com

Andrew MacKay, MP for Bracknell
House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA
Tel: 0207 219 2989
Fax: 0207 219 4123
bracknellca(?)tory [dot] org

Constituency Office
10 Milbanke Court
Bracknell, Berkshire, RG12 1RP
Tel: 01344 868286
Fax: 01344 868894

Julie Kirkbride, MP for Bromsgrove
Bromsgrove Conservatives
37 Worcester Road
Bromsgrove
B61 7DN
Tel: 01527 872135
julie(?)juliekirkbride [dot] com
office(?)bromsgrove-conservatives [dot] org [dot] uk
Fax:
Commons - 020 7219 0990
Bromsgrove - 01527 575019

Adam Holloway, MP for Gravesham
House of Commons
London, SW1A 0AA
hollowaya(?)parliament [dot] uk
adam(?)adamholloway [dot] co [dot] uk
smalljan(?)aol [dot] com

Philip Dunne, MP for Ludlow
House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA

or at the

Constituency Office:
Philip Dunne, MP
54 Broad Street
Ludlow
Shropshire
SY8 1GP
DUNNEP(?)parliament [dot] uk
01584 872187