Bad Day. Suggestion for action

  • icdbrazil
  • 10/10/08 30/11/09
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Posted: Sat, 14/02/2009 - 22:44

I´m having a bad day, as many of you frequently do I imagine.

You work hard, save hard and then get shafted by a Government staffed by a load of incompetent and dishonest (& to make it even worse, well paid) people.

Not easy to put to the back of ones mind.

They clearly don´t give a flying F about anybody else apart from themselves - how to embarrass them into being honest and to take necessary action?

We need to reiterate our call for our monies held in the UK to be released or for them to loan equivalent to IOM Gov´t without further delay and flannel. Recent events have made it clear the FSA / FSE etc etc all completely messed up, followed by outrageous displays of complete incompetence and dishonesty (eg. Lord Bach etc etc), and the only ones paying the bill so far are us. It stinks.

The IOM are clearly completely lost and under the thumb of the UK, trying to con everybody into an SOA designed to protect them by the looks of it - gradual payout of OUR monies, 60% envisaged, loss of rights, exchange rates at 10/08 - its an insult and it disgusts me.

How can we increase attention given to our plight?

Can´t be too expensive, so that rules out UK National Newspapers etc. Unsure if this has been suggested before, but how about producing MILLIONS of flyer's, really hard hitting (accusations, the cover ups, our cases etc etc etc ) designed to draw attention, but ´just´ ok to avoid arrest, for distribution in front of Number 10 DS (& 11), outside Parliament, central London, at Heathrow to all arrivals etc , and all over the IOM (allow 1 hour).

Other ideas? We have been dumped by the UK & IOM and must call upon their consciences (if they have any) or failing that embarrass them into action (then they can quietly sweep it all under the carpet).

Or do we all chip in and go for a top PR professional and start a relentless campaign.

I want MY money back, and also these people cannot be allowed to get away with this. We also owe it to society to ensure this is resolved - if they get away with this imagine the ego trip and what they may dream up / screw up in the future.

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What to do?

  • Premier
  • 10/02/09 31/05/09
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  • Mon, 16/02/2009 - 15:46

The Premier Shareholders Association (PSA) has been fighting the Manx government for over SIX YEARS without success. T.Brown and A.Bell and their phoney regulatory authorities exist for one purpose only -protecting the Island’s financial services industry.

Although depositors (shareholders) in the Premier Fund only lost around 30% of their money (and 30% more if they try and rescue it due to an illegal exit penalty) this money was obtained and retained by deception (unlike KSFIOM depositors). This may place the PSA firts in the queue before KFSIOM.

Don’t want to dampen anyone’s spirits but, miracles excepted, you will find it very difficult to pusuade these people that they have any legal or moral duty to do anything.

My advice is to let everyone in the world about it including the EU and US government departments – but most of importantly the Isle of Man newspapers and radio.

Shake up in world banking

  • Nixi
  • 20/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Mon, 16/02/2009 - 19:44

The advantage WE have over Premier is timing... we are at a time when the spotlight is on world banking and the pressure is on to treat depositors properly.. also, of course, not to launder money, evade tax etc. etc. BUT we have the limelight compared to then.. IMO

Take courage..

  • Lucky Jim
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  • Sun, 15/02/2009 - 16:49

Some little time ago it was said we should focus on the IOM that has accepted responsibility for sorting out the mess. So we have been doing just that & it has been paying off! We have the Manx Herald & Radio on our side but we could do more to respond to their reports.

Keep looking at and write in response to reports. 2 out of their 6 headlines are about KSFIOM.

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  • grandmaparis
  • 13/10/08 30/09/09
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  • Mon, 16/02/2009 - 00:42

I keep getting captcha code wrong, so my post doesn't get through.

captcha code

  • tsunamivictim
  • 11/10/08 n/a (free)
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  • Mon, 16/02/2009 - 01:48

I had the same problem every time I tried. Then I found a note under Comments that said there is a technical problem. Probably lots of comments from us all just can't get through.

Comments to Manx Herald articles - don't be put off

  • Hoping and coping
  • 16/10/08 31/07/10
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  • Tue, 17/02/2009 - 09:06

The note says that even though it says "captcha code wrong' the comment has in fact gone through. If you click Submit, it says "Waiting" - you then click "Submit" again (because nothing is happening...) and it says "captcha code wrong", but it should have gone through. It takes them a while to actually add your comment. My comments have gone on in all but one case, so I sent it through again the next day, and it was okay. (Save a copy of your comments!)

You haven't got the captcha code wrong. Don't be put off.

I'm okay Jack

  • Honest Citizen
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 15/02/2009 - 11:46

I have to say, in discussing our plight, and worse, the plight of truly desperate people like Mat Walker and skintagain, with friends and acquaintances, I can see that their reaction is very much like that of the average Western person listening to a news report about genocide in a far away country.

People who have not been affected by this fiasco do not care about us - even those who know us well enough to know that we are ordinary hard working, hard saving people who have never done a tax dodge in our lives. They simply don't care.

This public and media apathy is borne out by Diver and Expat's media campaign. How many interviews did they do? How many letters and press releases went out? For every 10,000 joules of emotional investment, we received a piddly mention (often inaccurate) on page 50 of some newspaper. The most exposure we have had is on the Isle of Man, where many ordinary people are likely to be affected by virtue of the collapse of their biggest industry, the financial sector

People who are not touched by this mess DO NOT care. Let us not waste our time (and what little money we have left) on trying to get them to care. Focus on endeavours that stand a chance of success.

Idea is to embarrass the ones

  • icdbrazil
  • 10/10/08 30/11/09
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  • Sun, 15/02/2009 - 15:43

Idea is to embarrass the ones responsible for this, so they deal with it to make us go away.

Note your comment:

Focus on endeavors that stand a chance of success.

What do you suggest?

I wish I knew

  • Honest Citizen
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 15/02/2009 - 16:23

I wish I could come up with some magic suggestions, but I leave that to greater brains than mine.

My comment is in response to a call for a public campaign which, in my opinion, will NOT persuade the public to stand up in outraged indignation on our behalf. The media doesn't care and those that aren't affected don't care. All the posters on all the buses in the UK will not change that. I'm happy to be persuaded otherwise.

As for embarassing those responsible, I don't think we should mistake that sulky demeanour of T Brown at the recent inquiry for a conscience, and as for the other Brown and his poodle, I believe that they feel quite comfortable in their position that we're collateral. The people who are responsible for our tragedy are, to a man, incompetent, corrupt and beyond feeling any shame. The only thing that might budge them in our interests is if their well feathered positions become threatened. The UK public aren't going to do, no point in blowing thousands on a public campaign. The Isle of Man public however, are another matter, but I know too little of their "collective mentality" to feel assured that they would mobilise anymore than the UK public would. I would guess that they wouldn't.

This is a personal opinion expressed on a low, low day and I'm open to arguments which indicate that I might be wrong on this issue. How have your friends and acquaintances responded to your plight? Any positive action? Any letters written on your behalf? Anything?


  • lorraine
  • 14/10/08 14/07/10
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  • Sun, 15/02/2009 - 01:04

I know a lot of people are not in favour of this but I still believe that whilst all the negotiating is essential we need to make people aware of our plight. The public are either unaware of us or see us as fat cat tax dodgers.

We need to show the public the truth and hopefully get some sympathy. Maybe if we make enough noise HMG will decide to step in and do something positive to hush us.

I have said and will continue to say that I am willing to participate in anything that is reasonably legal. But it has to be big, bold and attention catching.

I also think a viral email would be great. It needs photos, personal stories and a brief synopsis of what's happened. We need to get sympathy not bore people. There can be a link to the site for people who want to know more. We need people to read and forward on our story.

Viral email

  • ng
  • 11/10/08 31/12/20
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  • Mon, 16/02/2009 - 01:42

I've proposed and supported the viral email idea in the past. For it to work, people have to want to forward it to others - it won't be enough that we want them to forward it. People basically forward emails for to reasons (1) they're funny, enjoyable etc. or (2) they're a warning that everybody should receive. Clearly we need to go for the second option. So what is the warning? Don't trust IoM? Don't trust governments? Don't trust banks? Don't expect people to froward an email because they feel sorry for us, that's unlikely to work. I don't know what it would need to say, but a collaborative effort to come up with a hard hitting email may work.

i thought of that too. is

  • ajrj
  • 09/11/08 31/05/09
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  • Mon, 16/02/2009 - 19:18

i thought of that too. is there any way we can put up a screen for anyone to see when they look to access any banking institution on the iom, and strongly warn them that this would be dangerous to health

Some examples

  • coldlightofday
  • 20/10/08 31/08/09
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  • Sat, 14/02/2009 - 23:10

fight theft has already created material for flyers and ads. Have you seen it?


posters / flyers (see attachments at top of thread)

Any feedback from IoM newspaper ads on 14th?

  • cypheath
  • 01/11/08 30/10/09
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  • Sun, 15/02/2009 - 10:56

Heard nothing more about them. Is there any news to report?

DAG advert

  • brokemanx
  • 13/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 15/02/2009 - 16:57

I cannot find the advert proposed and supported by some DAG members and drawn up by fight theft in either the IoM Courier (the free 'advertising' local paper, 12/2/09) or the Manx Independent (weekly paper pubished on Fridays, 13/2/09). Did you submit it for publication? Have IoM Newspapers refused to publish? I haven't heard any news about this on the island.

You may be interested to learn that the KSF debacle is occurring at the same time as a heated dispute between the public sector unions and the government, which has brought in external consultants, at vast expense, to completely revise the pension scheme. Public sector workers, including health service staff, are having their pension scheme, to which they have contributed for years, changed retrospectively. The unions have had a poster campaign attacking Tony Brown, who has handled this matter with the same care and tact shown to DAG :-)