And at what point will we British actually take to the streets ???

  • Elpasout
  • 10/10/08 31/08/09
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And at what point will you British actually take to the streets ???
your country and your countryman have been raped by this bunch of incompetents and all you do is making sarcastic comments on news paper article and blogs. With thatcher and the poll tax you did so why not now - a confused foreigner.

This comment appears after a Times online today carries an article on Mervyn King's (Gof of BoE) saying "We won’t abandon savers," - in respect to interest rates being cut to 1% .

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5683354.ece

First of all I should have thought that the MPC have ALREADY abandoned savers - in favour of borrowers. Anyone who was using their savings to pay rent or a mortgage (or just live off) will probabaly agree.

But my real point is that this surely a question we should be asking ourselves re the DAG and our own plight with KSF.

Of course our joint efforts so far have achived something. But not what we wanted. Getting our money back seems as distant (and some respects less likely) prospect today as it did in October.

Just why have WE not been able to "take to the streets" a bit more? Someone here formed a Direct Action Group. To date 9 people have joined it and no one has posted to it! (including me I am embarrased to admit). But I have chipped in numerous times with offers to support ideas people have had for more direct action (even if it means me flying to the UK specially to be there).

I know we cannot muster a domo of 10,000 depositors outside Downing St. but sureley we must do something/anything to bring this "rape" of our assets more to the publc attention? Not to replace the actions people are taking now - but to supplement them and - very importantly- to add weight to our threats to both governments that we are not going to go away if they ignore us long enough! More than that - that we in intend to step up or actions if we dont get what we want.

After the atrocious performance by Tony Brown at the TSC, and the (probably very realistic) statement by one MP that "UK Government will never help us" - surely the time has come to take the gloves off?

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Direct action via the Avaaz.org

  • SusanfromBC
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Could the DAG leaders please consider contacting the Avaaz.org who have over 3.2 million members to suggest a campaign regarding the human rights violations and theft of 10,000 depositors life savings by the UK and IOM governments? Campaign suggestions can be made by contacting campaigns(?)avaaz [dot] org

See the more about Avaaz below:

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It's worth a try...


To demonstrate or no to demonstrate

  • Lucky Jim
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We did have an airing of views on this topic back in December 2008.
http://chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/group-topic/why-demo-would-not-achieve-...

There appeared to be a consensus against the idea. However, some members thought it had merit so I listed it in the DAG's Strategy & Tactics table (PDF file here>> http://www.chat.ksfiomdepositors.org/journal/all-together-one-place-dags...)

extract
Strategy -To consider the pro & cons of direct action by way of public demonstration(s) and/or sit-ins in strategic buildings

Tactics - to evaluate the potential effectiveness of demonstrations, & the costs & benefits associated with demonstrating

bearing in mind that DAG members are scattered throughout the world (& the UK) we have to consider whether there are not more cost effective ways of getting our message across. One of the Tactics listed is the idea of having an IOM member dressed as a town crier with a large bell, reading a proclamation outside the Tynwold Parliament building. That might be far cheaper and a very effective way of getting our message across to the public. The media (newspapers & TV) would LOVE it!


Ghandi said - "First they

  • Elpasout
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Ghandi said - "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you.
Then you win."

And your final point LJ was precisely what I was getting at. THAT is the type of Publicity Grabbing which I have advocated in the past - and many others have talked about - but has never got off the ground. Of course a mass demo is impossible - and probably not that newsworthy anyway. But ther there MUST be lots of simple, inexpensive, low manpower ways of grabbing the media attention. The IoM bus was one suggestion I liked and others did too.

I posted some while back re the success which F4J -Fathers for Justice had with "guerilla" type tactics in bringing their cause into the public eye.

Remember Batman on the roof of Buckingham Palace?

Here is a link to their page - Cunning Stunts!

http://fathers-4-justice.org/f4j//index.php?option=com_content&task=view...

with another quote which I believe is very pertinent to our current plight

"You can't fight power with power. But you can fight power with ridicule, satire and subversion."

Whatever you think about some of these stunts you cannot deny they have got publicity!

“…when historians look back on British Society at the start of the third millennium they will accord a small but important chapter to the men in tights.”
The Times Newspaper, January 2006

“Fathers 4 Justice masterminded some of the biggest political stunts of recent years.”
Esquire Magazine, 2005

“No comment.”
PR Office, Scotland Yard

And No - I am not suggesting that someone else should do this. I am very prepared to get involved myself - and have said so in posts before.


ng set up this group I

  • nivit
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ng set up this group I imagine to try and collect all the direct action comments in one place. As to what to do? If you don't have a few committed people, suitably geographically located who are willing to meet physically and then propose a definite action you may as well forget it.


My own opinion is that such

  • SgKZ
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  • Mon, 09/02/2009 - 16:32

My own opinion is that such Direct Action never works. There have been so many instances recently where sheer numbers of protesters equate to nothing. If anything, the Government digs its heals in even further.

Embarrass them where it hurts. The press and courts.

SG


Could the Governments heels dig in much deeper

  • Elpasout
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  • Tue, 10/02/2009 - 12:12

than they appear to be already?

And would you have given Ghandi that advice - ie Dont bother with protests mate they never work?


Lovett statement??

  • Hampnew
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  • Mon, 09/02/2009 - 16:50

I understand that Mr Lovett from Alex and partners made a statement on a media website saying that the consultants advice was for the Government to borrow and pay back in full.

I would like to read that statement, can any of you regular contributors guide me to it please?


Lovett statement??

  • Hampnew
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I understand that Mr Lovett from Alex and partners made a statement on a media website saying that the consultants advice was for the Government to borrow and pay back in full.

I would like to read that statement, can any of you regular contributors guide me to it please?


Me too

  • bellyup
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  • Mon, 09/02/2009 - 23:34

I havent seen that either has anyone?