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If you are contacting someone, be it media or other, and you feel it might benefit others on the site, please give the details.

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Banks in IOM

  • occams razor
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The following banks and building societies are participants in the
Isle of Man’s Depositors’ Compensation Scheme

Banks

AIB Bank (CI) Ltd
Alliance & Leicester International Ltd
Anglo Irish Bank Corporation (I.O.M) Plc
Bank of Ireland (I.O.M) Ltd
Bank of Scotland International Ltd (including their activities on the Isle of Man under the business
name Halifax and Halifax International)
Bank of Scotland plc (including their activities on the Isle of Man under the business name Halifax)
Barclays Bank Plc
Barclays Private Bank & Trust (Isle of Man) Ltd
Barclays Private Clients International Limited
BNP Paribas Securities Services Custody Bank Limited
Bradford & Bingley International Ltd
Britannia International Ltd
Cayman National Bank & Trust Company (Isle of Man) Limited
Close Bank (Isle of Man) Ltd
Conister Trust Limited
Duncan Lawrie (IOM) Limited
Fairbairn Private Bank (IOM) Limited
Habib European Bank Ltd
HSBC Bank International Ltd
HSBC Bank Plc
Irish Nationwide (I.O.M) Ltd
Irish Permanent (IOM) Ltd
Isle of Man Bank Ltd
Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander (Isle of Man) Ltd
Lloyds TSB Offshore Ltd
Nationwide International Ltd
RBS Coutts Bank (Manx) Limited
Standard Bank Isle of Man Ltd
The Royal Bank of Scotland International Ltd (including their activities on the Isle of Man under the
business name NatWest)
The Royal Bank of Scotland Plc
Zurich Bank International Ltd

Building Societies

Britannia Building Society
Cheshire Building Society
Nationwide Building Society

The above list covers all banks and building societies that accept retail deposits in the Isle of Man

http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/fsc/PressReleases/deposittakersinthedcs.pdf


Is this wise?

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I disagree with this course of action.
No bank is going to step in just for the sake of publicity, or bailing out another bank's depositors. We're not in a position to put together a sensible investment memorandum, and any takeover will need the approval of the provisional liquidator (who is presumably already in discussions with interested parties).


International TV news coverage

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Sent a memo to Aljazeera International News network suggesting that they give some coverage to this story.


this site as a collective voice

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How aware may the 'negotiating bodies' be of this very site? I only heard of this situation yesterday morning, pacific time (about 7 hours ahead of GMT), but it took me most of the day to come across this site. Since then, this is my only channel of information - albeit a very good one. There must be many of us out there who are living overseas, and don't now have the funds to travel and make actual representation. Might it be possible to use the site, or a form of it, as a means of petition to the UK, Icelandic and Manx governments?

Just a thought.

Many thanks to all of you who are being very proactive in the situation.


I think you'll find they

  • expat
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I think you'll find they know!!


Already

  • occams razor
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broke1 - that's what we here have been trying to do.
You do raise a good point though - there will be literally 1000s of depositors unaware of this site, or even of the fact that KSFIOM has collapsed


contact

  • joooojoooo
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OR, there will be many like me who feel isolated when this site goes off line.
I doubt whether you know how much it means to so many!


Collective Voice

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I believe that was one of the original ideas in setting the site up. I think we are in the process of organising some kind of improved structure, which will help. Everybody is equal here, but it's clear that some kind of hierarchy would be useful, not in terms of "importance", just who is going to do what.


Promotion of the cause

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I just left a comment on the daily mail website regarding the lady who lost 600k. I encourage others to do the same on this and other press sites such as the BBC. There is no such thing as bad publicity I am told?


Financial Times interest

  • occams razor
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Cross-posting from the Media Involvement forum in case it was missed:
(thanks for relaying NG)

email received:

I am the Financial Times North of England correspondent covering the Isle of
Man. I would be interested in talking to anybody early tomorrow morning,
preferably a Manx local, who fears losing a significant amount of money in
Kaupthing and who has a view on the Isle of Man's government response. My
number is 07894 419203. Thankyou very much.

I am guessing but the FT is probably less interested in "the human story", and more by the real details of what is going on financially and politically. Suggest some of those who are in the know call him tomorrow, especially any Manx locals.


I have sent a message I am

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I have sent a message I am awaiting a response


Journalists

  • btandkt
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Dear Expat,
Thank you very much for what you are trying to achieve for all of us.

I think that in addition to the stories of those who have potentially lost everything it is important that the journalists fully understand why we are in this position. As I understand it from this forum, KSFIOM was a viable going concern, despite the Icelandic Govt's decision to nationalise the other 2 banks. They had enough funds to operate in trying circumstances and could have ridden out the storm if the rug had not been pulled from under them by the British Govt's decision to freeze all Icelandic assets.

Whilst I acknowledge that the Govt did this with the best of intentions, to protect the interests of UK savers in Landsbanki, the outcome of that decision was to prevent KPS and KPSIOM from operating and pushing them into receivership. The Govt have sorted out the problem of KPS by selling it off to ING but I believe they have the same duty of care for their UK citizens who bank with KPSIOM and a moral duty to assist the rest of us who are not UK residents (albeit UK citizens) who have been affected by their precipitous actions. It is evident that the IOM Govt have neither the clout nor the guile to deal with Iceland or possibly with the UK.

We need the UK journalists to press for an investigation into how this happened and what the legal implications are for the Govt. If KPSIOM are now open it should be possible for someone to ascertain how many depositors are affected, how much is owed by the bank to these depositors, how much is owed to it (particularly by KSF, now ING,) and what are the legal remedies for recovering it. UK Govt cannot have sold KSF to ING with no strings attached, giving them the assets of that bank but not its liabilities! Everyone talks about compensation but for those with a lot at stake, both in monetary value and in time to retrieve funds for living, I think it is much more important to recover the assets as quickly as possible.

As a comparison I wonder how HMG would have reacted last year, when Russia was having a fight with BP, if the Russians had comandeered the assets of Shell on the basis that it was also a UK company so it was ok to take from them instaed! They would have been called thieves and pirates, yet this is what has happened to us by our own Govt!

Please put these points to the media, with or without the Russian comparison.

Best wishes and good luck!


reply to ktandbt

  • skintagainnow
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Not quite, I also thought that UK gov has siezed all Icelandic asset, but not so (thx to cold-dose) KE / KFS (UK) went into administration, it's reported that 60% of the KE / KSF (IoM) funds were loaned to UK branch - it's this loan that effectively sent KE / KFS (IoM) into administration. Please see in background I've put a link in to view the administration order for UK branch.
The only asset seized by UK gov were that of landsbanki - link there for that too.


I am sorry if sometimes

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I am sorry if sometimes things are ot clear, I am alone and working in a dingy place with a lot of contacts hitting me, I am a touch tired but certainly not down about anything, there are good people in this team working very hard,


Jounalists

  • Ray
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Although the efforts of those like expat and maybe others on the IOM have been excellent, it seems to me that we are still not receiving the publicity from the national (rather than local) media that our plight demands. There was a suggestion made yesterday evening that a PR company like Max Clifford's would have all the necessary media contacts available to raise awareness of our plight to a much higher level. I think this is an excellent idea. Is there any other support for this?


Clifford

  • Diver
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I have sent Max Clifford an email and I will follow this up with a phone call later today if I don't receive a reply.


Hello as it happens as Dave

  • expat
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Hello as it happens as Dave would tell you I did put it all to the BBC, they edited it out, it isn't as interesting as a bleeding heat. Thats why i am seeing the FT next that way I can do as you say, talking of Russians I have contaced the steppes for information! Compensation is no good to me or many others, so yes we want it all back, see anther thread I was on about this. 7000 depsitors as far as we know.
The legal remedy depends on the status of the assets, and the ability to trade. I also believe there is a duty of care here and we do not know whether that is being carried out, we think so, but thinkig so is not enough I realise, that was the purpose the bbc interview to bring it iut, bt sorry they preferred to make T brown look stupd it seems.


Guardian

  • btandkt
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I received a reply to an email I sent to The Guardian (one amongst many papers etc that I mailed) it might be better Expat if you could deal with this so that there is a consistent view being put accross. That is if you have the time, if not I will do it - just let me know.

In repsonse to the high volume of emails we received from worries KSF depositors, I've put up a couple of interviews related to this matter on the website today, and a blog post, and am forwarding the letters that come in to the finance desk at the daily Guardian.
Links to articles are:
http://www.guardianweekly.co.uk/?page=editorial&id=759&catID=9
http://www.guardianweekly.co.uk/?page=editorial&id=755&catID=21

Our thoughts are with you.
Best wishes,
Anna

Another link to The Guardian and another email sent to me
I was very sorry to hear about what has happened to you. I'm looking at this whole situation for an article due to be published on Saturday, and am keen to speak to 'victims' of this affair. I would obviously like to include your name and a few details about you eg how much you are worried you may have lost, roughly where you live etc. Also, if you have a photo of yourself that you could send us and that you would be happy for us to consider publishing, that would be great! Photos and some personal details will help bring the story to life, and hopefully add to the pressure on the authorities to sort this whole mess out.
My direct line here is 020 7239 9587 or you can email me at rupert [dot] jones(?)guardian [dot] co [dot] uk. Thanks, and best wishes Rupert Jones Deputy Editor, Guardian Money

Perhaps others could also email Rupert.
Hope this is helpful.
kt


Anybody have any information

  • icdbrazil
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Anybody have any information regarding institutions that had funds with KSF IOM, and actions that may be taking place on that front?


UPDATE FROM EXPAT

  • mikepapa
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Just been on the phone to Expat Steve.
He is still unable to unable to get online due function at his hotel.
Steve advises that he is OK for cash for the time being but will squeal as soon as he needs our asistance.
He is looking forward to arrival of whoever is on the way to IOM to support him

Insideline could you please contact him at the Sefton Hotel IOM. He is anxious to talk to you and promises not to bite your head off :-)


Already on the Isle of Man

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I know expat has become an unofficial spokesperson. If you are in touch with
him please tell him if he wants to meet up I will try and get down to the Sefton hotel for 12:45 to 13:00 tomorrow (Tuesday) or for him to post a message on the forum for me.

I have lived and worked in the Isle of Man for the past 6 years. I am a
qualified accountant and currently work in the Island's fund industry.

I have lost approximately one third of my life savings in KSF

I have been off the island for the past few days but I am now back. I live
and work in Douglas and I am ready and willing to meet anyone on this board
in the Isle of Man and hopefully be of some help to them.


will do

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Ally, your message will be forwarded to Expat.


Ally 12.30 I understand, I'm

  • expat
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Ally 12.30 I understand, I'm be here


Max Clifford

  • Diver
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Anyone else wonder if we can get Max Clifford to help with PR? I have no idea how he charges or how much for that matter but it might not hurt to ask. I'm willing to look into it if consensus is that it's worth a try.


Max Clifford

  • tubefly
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You have my support to check out this avenue.


Ray

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I agree that we need someone who knows his way round all the media in order to get us as much publicity as quickly as possible. Someone like Max Clifford would be able to blitz the media and bring the injustice of our plight to national attention. Currently, in spite of all our best efforts, which have been excellent, media attention is still relatively sparse, local rather that national, and piecemeal. I really think it's a very positive way forward. I'd definitely support contacting him or someone else as good.


Go for it

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Great idea, see if you can get him interested.
Tell him he can be sure that he will get paid out if he can get us a result. I should think that is how he normally works.


it's a great idea. He may be

  • sleeplessnight
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it's a great idea. He may be out of any potential budget but may agree to do for a more 'serious' line. If it's a no go I do have a P.R contact I can call on tomorrow.


No harm at all in asking! Go

  • Elpasout
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No harm at all in asking! Go for it.


Email to Max Clifford...thoughts?

  • Diver
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Dear Sir

I’m writing on behalf of a large group of depositors with Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander Isle of Man (KSF IoM).

We are concerned that with all the activity currently going on in the banking world and all the bail outs of UK banks that are taking place, our somewhat unique plight is not being heard. A large number of us are UK citizens, UK tax payers and Expats who couldn’t get a UK bank account due to the lack of a UK address and all stand to lose life savings as the result of the failure of Kaupthing Hf in Iceland.

As you know the IoM is not part of the United Kingdom and therefore does not come under the guarantee issued by the UK government which only guarantees all UK based deposits held in Icelandic Banks. Depositors in the IoM had a guarantee from Kaupthing Hf (the parent bank) covering all deposits in excess of the IoM compensation scheme limit but, following the nationalisation of this parent, the Icelandic government has shown reticence in honouring the guarantee and we have had no comment or support from the UK government.

A common misconception of ‘off shore depositors’ is that we are all multi-millionaire tax avoiders (or worse) whereas this simply isn’t the case. I invite you to visit www.ksfiomdepositors.netgenius.co.uk where you can see for yourself the stories of these depositors and also see how lives are being devastated by these circumstances. There are couples who have saved for years for their retirement that now find themselves starved of their nest-egg and considered too old to work. There are families who had placed the proceeds of a home sale into KSF IoM in readiness to move back to the UK and now find themselves taking out emergency loans to cover rent.

If you wish to see first-hand accounts of the situations people find themselves in, please watch these two interviews with BBC regional programmes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7668424.stm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/ondemand/england/realmedia/northwestt...

We really need a voice in this time of crisis to let people know that not all UK citizens who had funds with Kaupthing are being saved (contrary to popular opinion). Anything you can do to bring our situation to the attention of a wider audience would be greatly appreciated.

We are simply depositors in a bank that can no longer give us access to our savings and so have little experience of PR works or how much it costs. If you could kindly give us an idea of how your fee structure works and on what it is based we would be very grateful.

Yours etc...etc...


Re email to Max Clifford

  • skintagainnow
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would it be worth adding a bit in there about the UK using anti - terrorist laws to close the bank in the first place


Not anti-terrorist laws

  • cold-dose
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Probably best not to say that, because they didn't.

It was another Icelandic bank, Landsbanki, that had its assets frozen. Kaupthing's assets weren't frozen by the UK government at any stage - its UK branch was merely put into administration.


re not anti-terrorist laws

  • skintagainnow
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Not according to the FT, Nor the Icelandic goverment who intend to sue HMG on this very issue

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/80f767e4-9882-11dd-ace3-000077b07658.html?ncli...
Extract from FT

Kaupthing still seemed viable. But last Tuesday, Mr Oddsson made public remarks that were interpreted to mean that Iceland would not meet its obligations to UK depositors. This was politics for home consumption. So was the UK’s retaliation, with an ill-considered invocation of anti-terror laws to seize the UK assets not only of Landsbanki, but also of Kaupthing. Gordon Brown’s highly aggressive statement was not his best moment of the financial crisis.


Bad journalism

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The FT are just plain wrong there. See Reuters, who are much clearer on the confusion on this fact, and the truth of what really happened:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKTRE49B3TK20081012

Quotes:
"Warnings by the Treasury that action had been taken to protect retail depositors in Kaupthing, Singer and Friedlander, may have led savers to think its assets had been seized"

"To clarify the situation regarding Icelandic companies, I am confirming it is only Landsbanki's assets that have been frozen in the UK... No other Icelandic company's assets have been frozen."

"It is no good telling us now that Kaupthing's UK assets have not be seized. It's too late, the whole bank has collapsed."

They did not seize the assets. They did not even claim to have seized the assets. They transferred Kaupthing Edge to ING and put KSF into administration. Some people, including allegedly the Icelandic government, seem to have got confused between Landsbanki and Kaupthing.


re bad journalism

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this is what we are up against all the time --

who is right

note in Reuters that the HMG treasury unavailable for comment - so still not really any the wiser to which one is correct


Ultimate source

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Office of Public Sector Information?

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2008/uksi_20082668_en_1


re Ultimate source

  • skintagainnow
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Bit of searching found this one too ;-

the winding up of KFS / KE UK

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2008/uksi_20082674_en_1

nice one cold-close


Based on truth

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I think it should be obvious the importance of trying to avoid basing arguments on inaccurate facts. For example, challenging the UK government on the grounds that they'd frozen the assets would just lead to a response of "No we didn't!", and it'd be a busted flush.


ING

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Yep, that's the transfer of Kaupthing Edge to ING.


go 4 it

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Excellent Diver, lets go for it we have nothing to lose and everything to gain


Answers

  • occams razor
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I agree completely with HOPPER and BBLAIR in their advice that right now we need to send a specific list of questions, backed up by an explanation of our position, to ALL those people in power - the Manx Govt, the UK administrator, and the IOM provisional liquidator.

What I would say to you all is this, and I would urge you to think carefully about what I am saying. Over the past few days we have all been trying to navigate in what for most of us are uncharted waters. We have indeed made mistakes in deciding our direction, its strategy, and how we implement it. I include myself, but I do not blame any of us - this is a hard, hard situation and everyone here is doing their best in a constantly-changing field.

I do believe we have been too soft on the people in high positions, both political and commercial, who at the end of the day ARE going to be the ones to determine our fate - whether successfully or otherwise. And I do think now may be the time to take the gloves off in our dealings with them, and demand some answers. They need to know, and understand very clearly indeed, that we are not going to take this lying down, and that there will be very serious consequences to their own interests should they not be able to come up with a solution that results in all our money be returned to us.

BUT.

At this stage that strong message and demand for answers needs to be delivered to them directly, and not publicly. The threat and consequences of really starting to deliver it publicly will be explained to them by those delivering the message in no uncertain words, I assure you. But for now, the message should go direct to them in order to force them to act. If that still doesn't work then we can indeed adopt other tactics, but DO NOT underestimate the potential harm such actions could also cause us.

Where we stand now, the private threat is more powerful than the public action in furthering our cause.

That aside, we should continue to publicise the "circumstances" off our losses as those who gave TV interviews did so excellently already today.

I would encourage you all to think carefully of what are the key questions we need answered by the authorities, and post them here for whoever is collating them to prepare into a document. HOPPER/BBLAIR - Who will do the collation of the questions?


Questions to be asked

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I totally agree
If not the 24th is just going to roll around and the goverment will have escaped.

I suggest:

  1. An update on the UK delegations dealings with regards to the IOM depositors in Iceland

  2. An update on the parental guaratee, i.e. it was logged with their FSC, they have had it checked out and it is legally binding and THEY CAN GIVE US A BLOODY COPY!!!!

  3. Some figures on number of accounts holders that are involved.

  4. Status on negotiations with UK on assets held there


Parental guarantee

  • occams razor
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Yes, we want a copy of the parental guarantee - not ifs or buts.


Also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Monkeyface3604
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I think it needs to be made clear to the IOM goverment that our time of nicey nicey stay out of the public with any critisism is coming rapidly to an end.
As i have said before there is a very real danger we are being managed, im sure they have strategists involved in damage control and this line about dtay quite or you may damage a deal maybe part of this strategy.
This is why i think the seperate web site as mentioned before, private eye style invetsment prospectus, should be considered strongly. It can be done by a few of us hidden from the public. It can however be used like a big red button, if need be we have it there at a moments notice so to speak.


i;ve read all your posts

  • sosnovka
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since the start of the site and I haven't agreed with anything you have said so far.
My opinion.


Fair enough

  • occams razor
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Fair enough. Everyone has their own.


Clear Strategy

  • bushmen
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I support a Clear Strategy approach.

We don't have a lot of time and we need to continue to press the authorities.

The Manx government need to take action in these times.

We need to desperately find out where we stand with the Iceland authorities.

Some of the things so far suggested are:

  1. Arrange meeting (isle of man, london, or local??)
  2. Elect committee / representatives to represent us
  3. Enlist key issues
  4. Target relevant authorities, businesses, governments and individuals about our cause through a clear stategy
  5. Continue lobbying with these organisations until a solution has been found

could we please find out how many people can either attend a meeting in london / isle of man?

I am happy to coordinate an event if need be.


Meetings - Working On IT

  • 491
  • 11/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Tue, 14/10/2008 - 06:54

I'm working with Hopper and Expat to schedule meetings with IOM gov and PWC.

We are also formulating a list of key questions. If you have suggested questions, please email me.

Thanks,

Blair


MEETING - can we please

  • sleeplessnight
  • 10/10/08 30/06/09
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  • Mon, 13/10/2008 - 22:08

MEETING - can we please transfer all meeting postings to the designated 'meeting' under 'actions' forum. It's getting confusing!


Insideline

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  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Mon, 13/10/2008 - 22:02

Insideline, I've just spoken with Expat. He has you to please contact him at the Stefton Hotel on the island of man.

thanks