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  • gazfuk
  • 12/10/08 31/05/09
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Posted: Sat, 08/11/2008 - 15:48

Dear All,

Firstly let me say I have lost a lot of money here and I want it back as badly as any of you. I also share everyone's frustration at how slowly the wheels of governments and other bodies seem to be moving toward finding any sort of solution.

However, I have to say that I feel some of the comments directed towards individuals in government are a bit over the top, as are references to HMG stealing of our money. We may feel that we have not had sufficient (outward) support from Alastair Darling and Gordon Brown among others, but it is my view that name-calling and wild accusations are not the way to go. Let's be honest we do not know in any detail what is happening behind the scenes and I for one do not believe we are being 'sold down the river' by HMG. We have to realise that some statements made may be given in such a way as to be read by other than us as depositors. Perhaps HMG is not guaranteeing our savings to encourage some action by other governments? Of course, I may be wrong about this.

At any rate, name-calling is not productive and I would encourage all contributors to avoid it - if for no other reason, this is an open forum and we do not know who may be reading our posts.

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  • Relentless Posse
  • 14/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sat, 08/11/2008 - 22:38

I think people have a strong opinion i.e just like the guy who got robbed in broad daylight and he couldn't do anything about it.

He will find it hard to stay calm- at some point people will reach the tipping point because this is a criminal action and people are vetting their anger.

Pussy footing around the establishment can't be tolerated but forging on with a fight has to be done.


I dont care how offended

  • cottesmore
  • 21/10/08 16/07/12
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  • Sat, 08/11/2008 - 19:05

I dont care how offended these people might be.I,like millions of others, watched these pair of clowns, (AD and GB) tell the whole world when all this started,"NO UK DEPOSITOR WILL LOSE THEIR DEPOSITS,WE WILL DO WHAT EVER IS NECESSARY" Well,where is my £391,000? When are they going to stand by their promises?
If they find this offensive,wait until some of us chain our naked "butts" to Downing Street railings,with, "you thieving gits" tattooed on our cheeks!!!
Offensive............i haven't even began. This money is life changing money and i worked my guts off to earn it. Therefore, i will say, what ever it takes to get, "in their faces," until i get every penny back.Remember, this involves people across all walks of life.There is no "stiff upper lip"........."go down with the ship" attitude.My tact is, British Bull Dog, scare them into giving us our money back!!


Offensive

  • gazfuk
  • 12/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sat, 08/11/2008 - 20:14

Cottesmore quote: "Therefore, i will say, what ever it takes to get, "in their faces," until i get every penny back."

First point...this kind of puerile name-calling will not serve to get your money back (or mine), it will more likely entrench the people you wish to influence.

Second point...it is simply childish, unpleasant and bullying.

I want my money back and I think the way to do it is to draw to the attention of decision takers the human cost of what has happened and to reason with them in an adult manner.

I still believe the powers that be, including HMG will come through on this.


Hey buddy,dont think i

  • cottesmore
  • 21/10/08 16/07/12
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  • Sat, 08/11/2008 - 21:23

Hey buddy,dont think i haven't tried the " nice route. "
I am still awaiting a response from the Prime Minister and Chancellor outlining (in a very polite way) my predicament.As you may not be suprised,no reply!(after over 3 weeks)
We all have our own way of dealing with things,this is mine,ok


Gaz what?

  • caledonia
  • 14/10/08 30/09/09
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  • Sat, 08/11/2008 - 16:40

Get real ........ read some of the stories to find out that this is not fiction. The increased calls to Samaritans, increased admissions to A&E - do you need me to go on ....?
And if the powers that be are logging on and reading this - GREAT ! I hope they are ashamed of themselves and can sleep at night - because many of us can't!


Then post about those calls

  • Captain Mainwaring
  • 11/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sat, 08/11/2008 - 16:55

Then post about those calls and those visits to A&E, and if you cannot document them, then don't mention it. We have all got the hump, but descending to the level of playground insults and childish pictures doesn't help - shall I post a picture of Mr Darling with a photoshopped c**k on his forehead? would that really help?


Visits to A&E

  • caledonia
  • 14/10/08 30/09/09
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  • Sat, 08/11/2008 - 19:25

I don't need to post them, they are already o this forum as follows:

The human cost of the banking crisis:-

The Kaupthing Singer & Freidlander IOM Depositors Action Group has found it necessary to post the contact details of the Samaritans on the home page of their website www.ksfiomdepositors.org in recognition of the desperate plight of some of its members.
The core team is doing its best to keep depositors' spirits up but desperation is beginning to grow. There have been growing reports of distraught depositors ending up in A&E after collapsing with chest pains and numerous instances where medical help has had to be requested to treat stress, anxiety and depression.

We believed that we could see our group through this ordeal but an incident over the weekend has brought home the fact that some of us are no longer 'coping'. In recent days a fellow depositor tried to take their own life as a result of the situation they find themselves in. Our deepest sympathies go out to the family involved and we can only begin to imagine the depth of despair that person is feeling.

Depositors are now desperate for some positive news so that their lives can return to some kind of normality. You cannot imagine the purgatory this current state of financial limbo has given people for the last 4 weeks.

The authorities in the Isle of Man and the UK may still believe that they are simply talking about cash, but we are now talking about people's lives. It is time for the elected representatives of the people to recognise the toll this is taking on the lives of thousands of normal British people. The see-saw between silence and political point scoring is only adding to their pain.


Alaistair Darlings comments at the recent Treasury Committee Meeting ..........
"[Manx banks] are regulated by the Isle of Man authorities, and I would have to think long and hard before saying, for the first time, the British Government would then go and underwrite savings made in another jurisdiction. It's not something that we would lightly do." Alistair Darling, 3 November 2008.

A young widow would like Alistair Darling to think long and hard...
Just when you think life cannot get worse after the death of her husband last year leaving her with three school age children, this young mother now faces the fact that the money which she received from a critical illness policy as a result of her husband's death, and invested for the family to live on, is now likely to be lost. She does not understand how banks can do this to their depositors as the UK Government stands by and watches.

Jim would like Alistair Darling to think long and hard…
Jim worked most of his life for the British government in places of strife - Afghanistan, Mozambique, Kosovo. Since he lived overseas he had no alternative but to bank offshore. His civil service salary was paid into his KSFIOM account but now he finds himself penniless, staying with friends and having to try to find work at the age of 64. His life savings lost in the political limbo caused by actions of the UK government, his former employer.

A member of the British army would like Alistair Darling to think long and hard…
A member of the British Army in Afghanistan lost his arm and sustained shrapnel damage from a land mine in Paktia province in June 2006. He was medically discharged and given a lump sum payment (fully taxed), and pension. This £68k was deposited in the Derbyshire BS (IOM) which became part of KSFIOM last year. The money was to be used to facilitate a small holiday home in the country for his retirement so that he 'could spend the rest of my life in peace, and nature.' Now it could all be lost.


Please don't let these British citizens be forgotten in this nightmare political tangle between the UK and Iceland. Can you imagine the stress and bewilderment this situation is causing to thousands of British people at home and abroad.

Each of these individuals entrusted their hard earned savings to a bank they thought they could rely upon. Nor was it something they did lightly.


What is the point in you

  • Captain Mainwaring
  • 11/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sun, 09/11/2008 - 04:20

What is the point in you posting all of that again? In case you haven't realised, you are preaching to the converted - I know all about it I actually lost some money.

This is where things go off half cocked, people make a statement about "visits to A&E and increased calls to the samaritans" which may well be true, but in none of what you copied and pasted is there any evidence to back up your assertion - can we confine ourselves to the facts please?

It does not help anyone to resort to pathetic name calling - if that is what you want to do, then start up a free blog and do it to your hearts content there, as there is no place for it here.

Yes, we have all made comments out of frustration, but let us retain a bit of dignity now and behave like adults.

You will find that you will catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.


who is being abusive ?

  • Lucky Jim
  • 13/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sat, 08/11/2008 - 16:31

Hi gasfuk -
the Forum is moderated but we can not read everything that is posted. Perhaps you would like to write to the site editors/moderators with the links which you feel are particularly abusive. Note also that below each post there is a facility for flagging it if you consider it to be offensive.

That said you must bear in mind that many members here are under enormous stress & feel very angry over what has happened. Indeed it really does feel to them that they have been robbed, & it is easy to ventilate the strong feelings that this generates by using expletives towards the agency who they feel, rightly or wrongly, is 'the thief'.
L J - moderator


Abusive Posts

  • gazfuk
  • 12/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sat, 08/11/2008 - 16:43

Hello Moderator,

I don't expect anyone to be trawling through to delete posts and I of course, understand why people are upset. I too am very upset as I need my money.

It is just my view that if MPs for example read us calling HMG thieves, their leader a fool and a glory hunter, Alastair darling an idiot etc, etc it will not go down well in getting them on our side. I would rather contributors exercised some discipline and self-control in their posts.

Thank you.


Lets say less comlimentory posts

  • shafted
  • 10/10/08 12/12/09
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  • Sat, 08/11/2008 - 16:50

I think AD has made more than one defamertary comment sorry spelling is not my best subjects ie "that liitle island in the north sea" that tax haven" do i need to go on.


Irish Sea

  • skintagainnow
  • 10/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sat, 08/11/2008 - 17:11

Shafted - :-)

Irish sea - we're dealing with AD not George Bush - he's not that bad YET - give him time.


Thank you, skintagainnow, for

  • Cocodora
  • 23/10/08 31/05/09
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  • Sat, 08/11/2008 - 20:05

Thank you, skintagainnow, for making me laugh!