Web-site statistics, positioning and "where is everybody else?"

Posted 14/11/2008 - 09:21 by ng

The following graphic indicates the situation - the blue line is our site, the grey line is a benchmark for all very broadly similar sites. We were not capturing statistics prior to the start of our graph here, so don't have that data.


Visitor rate 1500 to 2500 per day

Visitor rate has been stable for some time, around 2500 visitors per day during the week, dropping to around 1500 at the weekends. Those are basically individual people per day - the way the stats work should generally eliminate false counts due to automated visits.

Visit rate 3000 to 4500 per day

So on average, each individual comes to the site around twice per day.

Page-views 25,000 to 40,000 per day

Page-views also vary according to day of week from around 25,000 to 40,000. This is the number of different pages that people actually view (every time you click a link that goes to a new page, as opposed to taking you somewhere else on the current page.) Average page-views per visit is currently 8.8.

On average, each visitor spends 14 minutes on the site.

That figure is about five times the average, but that's hardly surprising given the nature of our topic and audience.

New visitor rate is also now stable - around 15% of the total.

So, every day a couple of hundred or so new people are apparently coming to the site. But the overall visit rate is not rising, so either there is an equal number of "drop-outs" from the existing base or (more likely) those new visitors are mainly people who find the site by accident etc, aren't interested and don't come back. We separately know that we have a "bounce-rate" of around 12% (that's people who visit but don't stay on the site.) Overall conclusion, number of regular site visitors is not changing, or perhaps increasing very slowly, maybe ten or twenty people per day. We are still getting new user registrations at around ten per day, so that theory seems to make sense.

Analysis of registered members

Taking the first number above (visitor rate, 1500 to 2500) for a little further analysis - we currently have some 1900 register users, but only around half of them have logged in to the site during the past week. The rest might be reading the site without logging in - so contributing to the 1500-2500 visitors per day - or maybe they are not visiting at all, we don't know. We do know that 15% of the visitors are new, so around 300 per day.

Conclusion: Even if all our 1900 registered users do in fact visit every day (unlikely), then that's 1900 members + 300 new people so 2200. It seems there must be at least a few hundred regular visitors who are not registered members, and the figure might be as high as 1000.

Google positioning, and where is everybody else?

Impressive though these numbers are, I can't help wondering where the rest of the depositors are - we're not exactly difficult to find. We are currently #2, second only to www.kaupthingsingers.co.im on Google if you simply search for Kaupthing Isle of Man. My guess - they're older people, probably retired, who don't use the web much if at all. We already know from our own poll that more than half of our registered members are aged 55 or above. I wonder if the remaining thousands would join is if they had an alternative medium through which to do so.

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That poll is here

That poll is here

Posted by ng on Sat, 15/11/2008 - 15:29
Where has that poll gone

Where has that poll gone where we could indicate how many accounts we have? My parents have 5 accounts

Posted by chd on Sat, 15/11/2008 - 14:45
I have 3 accounts listed when

I have 3 accounts listed when I used to check on the Internet. Although I withdrew all the cash from my old Derbyshire Tracker account in July it still showed up as an account. With the cash from the Tracker account I opened a Platinum Offshore account and a 1 Year Bond account. I believe that many depositors will have a fixed term bond using the monies they have that are just savings and an access account for general day to day living etc. In this case I agree that if it is stated there is about 8000 accounts the number of depositors will be far less. Of course some accounts are joint so one account has two depositors, perhaps we need try and ascertain the percentage of joint accounts as well to get a true picture.
I think the IOM compensation scheme is dependant on the number of depositors not the number of accounts. Therefore, if it came to it, their total sum to satisfy 50K maximum payout per depositor would be less than first anticipated.

Posted by dclf1947 on Sat, 15/11/2008 - 01:17
We had three accounts with

We had three accounts with KSF (IOM) One business account and two savings accounts.

Posted by Chairman2 on Sat, 15/11/2008 - 00:55
To clarify why we are asking

To clarify why we are asking about how many accounts you had... We are simply trying to establish how many depositors there really are. We have information that there were some 8000 accounts, clearly that could be 8000 people with one account or 1000 people with 8 accounts each.

Here we have close to 2000 registered members of whom around half are "active" on this web-site. I questioned whether there might be thousands more people affected - it may or may not be the case - the poll is designed to give us at least an idea of the average number of accounts held per person.

Posted by ng on Sat, 15/11/2008 - 00:10
my wife and my self have a

my wife and my self have a joint account.in this account is a one year bond and a base rate tracker account.
does this count as one account or two any thoughts on this please?

Posted by edelweiss on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 23:59
Exactly what is your

Exactly what is your point?

What choices? You want to go up against Skandia? and four more? Are you a lawyer? What experience do you have of litigation? What studies have you made of law? Are you employing a law firm?

My feeling, my gut feeling is "get real". If you want to discuss case histories mail me.

Re your particluar point: Yes, I have a large (not very large) sum. My challenge for you is that you explain to me me exactly what is the difference between your (assumedly) small sum and my large sum! I have views.

I was a union negotiator, sometimes for my sins. We're fighting for our lives here. We could go for a proportional settlement. What is your opinon? Yes and your opinion is important!

My experience is that we need to be sublimely accurate to unsettle their complacent defenses. This is not easy.

Platitudes are exactly that: Platitudes....

Posted by follow_the_tao on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 23:11
I wholeheartedly agree. To

I wholeheartedly agree.
To understand the implications of any of the actions on the Liqiudators, IoM "goverment", the UK goverment, we need access to the same information they have.
This is a power game. I spent more than a year in privatisation negotiations with the (then)big four accountancy firms (PWC etc). They have their job to do, like the rest of had, but they are "putas" to an extent. As in any negotiation information is power. Lets collate what information we have. Let's try to locate the "missing". I now consider this urgent. We need a consensus. Divided we are food.

In this case I had nominally two accounts, but in fact only one with funds and the other awaiting closure in accordance with my instructions by fax.

Posted by follow_the_tao on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 22:57
I am in Uruguay. I have been

I am in Uruguay.
I have been talking with the staff in LloydsTSB here, here a 'private bank', about my experience and they are surprised(staggered), for our experience is worse than the experience of those trapped by the "corralitos" in 2001///... here. The recovery rate after the crisis here 2001/2 was significant apparently, reaching close to 100% for their customers, even if it was a drip by drip recovery.
I will try and discover more about the history here.
I have spoken with the staff here at Lloyds TSB three times about this and they find our situation incredible,,, their word is "delincuentes". There seems to be no other writer fron ConoSur, if there is they can contact me at .yahoo.co.uk

I have nominally two accounts .... I have in mind the 'visitor statistics'.... I was moving euros to dollars and my instructions to Kaupthing IoM were not actioned since the 2nd of October. I only have(had) funds in my dollar account

My circumstance is totally legal. If Darling seeks to excuse the central banks incompetence in this occasion by suggesting that somehow each client of the bank was seeking to perpetrate some sort of fraud on the UK government he is incorrect, at least in my case. And I feel I ought to pursue this angle. My tax position is impeccable, in fact I haven't even claimed a rebate for three years.

I have another point. Yes I admit to being financially naieve. I had no experience, and no memory of a bank failure. They 'anti-money-laundering' legislation made mundane transactions tortuous. My feeling is that the financially savvy are not anong the victims here. they left a long time ago. What we are left with is the slow moving legitimate and honest who were simply not expecting a disaster on this scale. If this is not the case how exactly were reasonably intelligent people stranded in this situation? And why are we almost the only victims amonst depositors in this really very disasterous situation?

Enough for now. I am composing something for the BBC politics show. I have the feeling that we ought to concentrate on this at this moment. My last 'work' was at the BBC and I feel if we write they will reflect (within limits) our concerns and our numbers. I can add a few other comments and I will.

Posted by follow_the_tao on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 22:40
Account Poll

Suggest it may be a good idea to have a poll to find out number of accounts that individual depositors held as of close of play KSF IoM.


Posted by mikepapa on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 19:07
I doub ti, remeber that 4

I doub ti, remeber that 4 institutions have £220m and have appointed advocates, Do any of the independent depositors with large, very large sums use this forum? we are who are and should pursue as we see fit in my view. Everyone needs to consider their own circumstances and make their choice.

Posted by expat on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 18:25
Ice, ng, mifeinfrance, expat

Just a thought .... but if as we suspect it emerges that there are actually fewer of us as ( individual depositors) maybe just 2,500-3,000? Will this in any way diminish our clout as a group? If so would it be wise to publicise the fact via a poll here?

Posted by steveejeb on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 18:14
ice it was a guess, but like

ice it was a guess, but like you i have 2 accounts and i know somebody with 4, good idea a poll

Posted by expat on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 17:27
Ice - I agree

Ice, I agree with mikeinfrance and yourself. I have two accounts. Interestingly, I think that other dormant accounts I had, were still being sent to me showing zero balances. If that is the case it could be anything up to six accounts on record? I will check it out tonight and let you know.

Posted by steveejeb on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 17:27
I read one of expat's posts

I read one of expat's posts where he mentioned '3000' depositors. I too believe there are far fewer of us than we originally thought; I have four shared accounts and it seems highly likely that many others have two or more. So, mikeinfrance I agree that a poll would enable us to do the math and get close to our number - it would help us calculate how much we need to pay us off!


Posted by IceCrusher on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 17:17
Poll for number of accounts

Good idea, what would give at least an indication.

Posted by ng on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 17:11
where is everybody else?.ng.

Regarding your question where is everybody else?" Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the often quoted figure of around 8000 depsitors actually refers to accounts rather than depositors.Since many depositors will have more than one account, 5 in my case, than I would suggest that there are far fewer depositors than 8,000. This is further complicated by the fact that there will be a number of joint accounts ie 1 acct., 2 depositors. If the bank is not willing to release the actual number of depositors then I would suggest a way to get a more accurate figure would be a poll asking depositors how many accounts they have.

Posted by mikeinfrance on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 16:54
Graphic added for web-site statistics

Graphic now added, and comments enabled.

Posted by ng on Fri, 14/11/2008 - 09:54